http://dbd.game/killswitch
Here is an example of a player feedback survey that's not rigged to be survivor sided
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I really want to see little Timmy making a tally mark list reading all the surveys, thinking about which category each individual complain he needs to put it itno, while little Jimmy is letting a machine counting the Xs on the given points.
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The survey is still rigged even though it has an “Other” option. People in general are more likely to select options that are directly in the survey, especially if that involves a simple mouse click, and the Other option involves typing.
This isn’t up for debate. It’s how surveys work. Anyone that has had to conduct surveys for academic work, should have learned this fact.
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im amazed people are still defending the right to exclude killers to share their reasons of uninstalling in a clear way with checkboxes options why is it so hard for them to say
"you know what your right that isnt fair lets get bhvr/devs to correct the exit survey"
Also i would add that the devs need to release a new survey with killer related options to ask killers who left or considering leaving to answer that survey so they can get clearer data sooner and push towards a HEALTHIER gameplay for both sides
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Are people still fighting over other people simple desire clear options in survey to make it less absurd bruh…
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Why are people so up in arms about this issue?
Do killers really want an option to say gen rushing is awful, have BHVR acknowledge it, put it in the road map, put it out for ptb testing, and then immediately pull the plug on the changes and do nothing meaningful?
I mean ok, I guess we could give "equal treatment" and have BHVR tell killers in plain language that their biggest concerns mean nothing and they will do nothing to change it. That's what this entire "survey" issue really is at the end of the day.
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This is absurd because you're starting off with a strawman as your first point.
IF the survey included a lot of killer sided options, AND people selected those options, AND BHVR making changes to those options led to a better game, you have a good survey.
IF the survey included a lot of killer sided options, AND people did not select those options, AND thus BHVR was unable to make a better game, you have a bad survey.
What a good survey would be requires two data points that we have no way of knowing
1: What existing data does BHVR have that has led to them including or excluding certain options?
2: What are they able to do with that data?
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Do killers really want an option to say gen rushing is awful, have BHVR acknowledge it, put it in the road map, put it out for ptb testing, and then immediately pull the plug on the changes and do nothing meaningful?Maybe they'd be able to use the survey to learn that killers want OTR nerfed because of 'weaponization' or get colored scratch marks into the game. Perhaps it would even go so far as to getting syringes and styptics looked at.
Oh…
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Also who is getting paid to solely read through every submitted survey just to tally up the Other complaints especially when it's very likely Other isn't being checked much more than the other options in the first place.
And even if BHVR did a proper survey on uninstall reasons, I doubt they would factor in that the killer roles makes up a smaller % of players and properly weight feedback.
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This isn’t up for debate. It’s how surveys work. Anyone that has had to conduct surveys for academic work, should have learned this fact.1: Anyone involved in academics should have learned that just about everything is up for debate and approaching a problem with a single mindset is a good way to get bad data.
2: Anyone who has had to conduct a survey for real world applications understands the importance of focusing options to:
A: get people to answer it and not just skip it
B: Focus the questions on what people's issues actually are
C: don't dilute it by forcing choices that make not actually be people's motivating factor
D: get answers to things that can actually impact what you can do
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It is funny because it is most likely the same all the time.
Someone wants things to be equal and others think they will lose anything about this.
Lets make the Survey equal for survivor and killer and all inbetween. Answer "HELL NO"
Give Killer a way to Abbandon the game. "HELL NO" because Killer can do things all the time (but hitting the floor two times in a row is completly unplayable cough cough)"
Let Killer see the hook status. "HELL NO" because this would make tunneling easier cause the killer who decided to tunnel will forget which person he is tunneling or stuff like that.
But you can say all these have "legit" counter arguments. Except for "Why it would be terrible that Killer complains could be heard if they decide to deinstall the game.
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Someone wants things to be equal and others think they will lose anything about this.Let's have a 50% kill rate.
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All 3 of your examples already exist:
Survey? It doesn't say if your reason is that your are tired of tunneling or tired of being tunneled as your gameplay. It's already "both sides".
There's also a ######### text box you can type in, and it doesn't exactly check your number of hours played per role to enable any of these options.
Killers already have abandon, when it's been 10 minutes after gen completion.
Hook status was added already.
This whole survey "issue" is like watching an entitled child complaining and crying that they didn't get anything at someone else's birthday party. Except in this case, the entitled child actually was given a present and also got the birthday party cancelled at the same time, and still thinks it's somehow unfair. FFS.
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Except it's not because you took a survey with one, maybe two, questions pointed at Survivor and claim that now the entire survey is for Survivor. You're overinflating it and seeing what you want to see and then asking why I don't see it too.
And all of this is hypothetical which is what makes it so pointless, in my opinion. What ifs with the survey that led to changes that were pulled after 48 hours. No offense, but why should I or anyone else care about minor issues that led to things that never happened?
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This whole survey "issue" is like watching an entitled child complaining and crying that they didn't get anything at someone else's birthday party. Except in this case, the entitled child actually was given a present and also got the birthday party cancelled at the same time, and still thinks it's somehow unfair. FFS.
That's what makes it more annoying for me. After all of the BS from this year alone, we're supposed to drop everything for one question on a survey that nobody even cared about for months? Because it's so important, and definitely not because there's a bone to pick with anti-tunnel/slug even after it was pulled and we're getting nothing.
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Gutted means changed so the gameplay has significantly changed or is no longer possible.
40 seconds of endurance from OTR still functions the same as before.
Gen tapping taking a couple of extra seconds is not significantly different.
Distortion performing the same function but being changed in a healthy way to obtain charges is not gutted.Fog vials were gutted, Skull Merchant was gutted. Those things do not perform their function any more.
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This is exactly what I mean. They had these critical reasons to be changed, but apparently, they never actually did that?
OTR can still be used to bodyblock to your heart's content, you can still gen-tap mid-chase to stop regression, and Distortion still hides your aura all match long.
Ironically, Fog Vials fit your definition of 'gutted' the least.
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The one question on a survey that most people DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED, until BHVR literally said it was being used as a justification of the phase 2 changes. Yes, the survey does become more important AFTER we learn it is being used to drive balance changes.
And it's massively disingenuous to say survivors are "getting nothing" when you're fully aware there is going to be another PTB with modified changes. This isn't like the AFK crows, where BHVR literally pulled everything and left killers with absolutely nothing for literal months, and refuses to tell us if they are happy with the AFK crows.
Do you see how that is different? When the AFK crows got massively nerfed, that was it… just radio silence from BHVR for months. When the phase 2 changes got reverted, we get constant reassurance there will be at least another PTB with modified changes, and perhaps multiple PTBs with modified changes.
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I recently realized that I hadn't actually remembered to uninstall the game since I last quit, and when I came to the box asking for additional feedback, I ended up writing an essay that spanned nearly the full length of my computer screen (so, to the BHVR people reading the feedback forms, now you know who sent that particular one in). And, you know me, most of my complaints were what you would consider survivor sided!
Even with a supposedly survivor-sided set of options, the bulk of (and the most helpful bit of) my complaints were in that additional text field. I can express that certain things are bugging me, but it's through filling out that text field you get helpful feedback on why they're bugging me, which is the real important part of the feedback.
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But it's really not the most helpful thing, when the survey is being used to gather the most popular choices, and the most popular choices being escalated for game balance.
The "Other" selection will almost always lose in a popularity contest, when compared to the direct choices in a survey. Therefore, both sides of the game should be properly represented in the exit surveys, if they are being used to drive game balance.
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Gen tapping taking a couple of extra seconds is not significantly different.
Uh, no.
Gen tapping was completely deleted and removed. It is currently physically impossible to stop regression during chase unless the killer actively allows it.
That's what the complaints for "gen tapping" were in their entirety: people stopping for a tenth of a second to stop regression while in chase.
That is completely, 100% gone due to anti gen tap.
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Gen tapping was removed as part of the anti-3-gen update, which overall nerfed killers way more than it nerfed survivors.
Killers had the 3-gen strategy massively nerfed, AND some of the killer generator perks got massively nerfed, AND Skull Merchant got a large nerf because of it.
It's so absolutely ridiculous that killers got so many nerfs because of the 3-gen update, and you want to claim that the removal of generator tapping is somehow more game changing than all of the killer-related nerfs combined in that update.
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Calm down there, I didn't say any of that.
All I said was that gen tapping wasn't "slightly modified" it was removed completely. Which is factually correct.
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No offense but you are so thoroughly exhausting to discuss anything with. In my opinion. So I'm going to tap out again.
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What exactly is you point then?
Why should we care if gen tapping was completely removed, if it was part of an update that was overall way more survivor-sided than killer-sided?
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Well I said it twice now, so I guess a third time. Gen tapping was removed completely.
That's it. Nothing deeper than that.
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"I dont like the result, its too survivor/killer sided"
Imagine the people saying this every time they do a survey. Actually unsufferable
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Yes tapping for a tenth of a second during chase was unhealthy and removed, you can still stop regression same as before it just takes a couple seconds which is reasonable. It’s still faster than Trapper setting a trap. It was changed to be more reasonable not gutted.
I wouldn’t say Krasue is gutted because they added some time to her pallet scamper, even though you can’t use it on every pallet anymore.
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Dunno what you’re talking about here it makes no sense. No one’s saying those things weren’t changed, we’re discussing the changes lol.
Youve just said how those things can still be used so that means they aren’t gutted. Yes you can still block with OTR for an insanely long time, you can still stop gen regression in a matter of seconds such as while killer is breaking a pallet, and Distortion will still hide your aura if you aren’t ratting all game.Fog vials don’t perform their function so have the most arguement to be called gutted. As they went from a free escape to basically useless something being useless is gutted.
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Yes tapping for a tenth of a second during chase was unhealthy and removed
This is the entirety of what "gen tapping" was. Anything else, ie "outside of chase" is just stopping regression because you're working on the gen.
I didn't say anything about Krasue so I'm not sure where that's coming from.
I'm literally just saying that gen tapping isn't "slightly longer", it's completely gone.
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Gen tapping stopped Gen regression. You can’t tell people still stop Gen regression it just takes a couple seconds. It is not gone it just isn’t unhealthy anymore. It’s still faster than a lot of killer actions and there’s only one of them against 4.
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Now you're just redefining it after the fact.
100% of "gen tapping" occurred during chase.
The entire reason this was changed was due to feedback that kicking a gen took killer time but survivor could literally loop near a gen and stop regression without interrupting their chase. We both agree that's gone now. That was "gen tapping", full stop.
No one has complained that a survivor who can work on a gen to completion, for example, and in the process stop regression. That's not what "gen tapping" has ever meant, nor is it the main complaint that got the 5% anti gen tap restriction put into place.
It was that survivors didn't have to commit to the gen to stop the regression. Once they commit to the gen, it's not "tapping" by any definition anymore.
I have zero idea why people are arguing about this. This is just the definition of gen tapping and the fact that it was completely removed in one single mechanic change.
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