The undervaluing of hook counts by players

I think it's generally accepted that, all else being equal (map, killer, opponent, RNG, etc), that if two killers get, say 5 hooks, and 12 hooks that the 12 hooks is a more impressive measure of skill, even if both games end in a 4k.

Personally, I don't see a reasonable way to capture that skill in something like MMR. If, for example, we based MMR on hooks instead of kills, it would open itself to abuse, where (some) players would intentionally slug everyone to death every game, lower their MMR in the process, and continue to get "easy" games while still eliminating the opposing team.

I always play for hooks and if everyone escapes who cares?

More hooks equals more fun for me.

There should be some incentive though like do away with all the garbage hook regression perks as they're practically useless anyway and have hooks start regressing the gen closest to completion.

First hook on a new survivor 10% regression, second hook on same survivor 5% regression and third hook and killing same survivor 2% regression (or whatever percentage is a fair reward for hooking multiple survivors and make playing for hooks more of an incentive).

With regards the end game chat thankfully I'm on PS5 so don't have to suffer childish comments and I don't go anywhere near exit gates when opened.

So vault and pallet spam away because you're just wasting your own time my tv is already on mute and I'm on tik tok or whatever until the next match.

In an ideal world many of us would like that. However, that's not the game the developers have made. Instead of putting this onus on killers it should be on them. People would be significantly more inclined to be happy about hooks over kills if that's what the game was balanced around, it was rewarded, and you were scored for MMR from that. That just isn't the case unfortunately. Pitch this to the developers, not the killers.

Don't know about others but I play Killer to Kill survivors not 12 hook them.

Sadly, I think the "kills = skills" mindset is way too ingrained at this point of the game's lifespan to be challenged. I do think we would have a much healthier game if DBD was balanced around hooks as the "win" condition for Killer players.

You could even say this is well supported by the game's lore and that The Entity prefers Killers to multi hook. Trials where everyone is forced to participate means bigger helpings of Survivor despair and hope for it to feed on. Because in the end there are no winners or losers in the fog, only servants of The Entity. Killers and Survivors that play their roles too well leave The Entity hungry.

That said, I do sometimes get friendly crouches at the exit gates (2 crouches like a Survivor thank you, not the BM of rapid tea bagging) and item offerings as an acknowledgement that had I played differently, I probably would have 4k'd the team. I do think some players are appreciative of Killers that don't take advantage of mechanics like tunnelling off hook.

The challenge is what i love too. It might be my OCD, but i love that we can see the hook counter now because it's crazy satisfying seeing each survivor with one count next to their names, and again when they're all on second. Not sure if that's just me though lol it seems to give me that dopamine hit

I guess I can relate to that. It feels a lot more satisfying to make sure that you increase those counters.

He did some years ago but all people take from him is calling him bad because he wins only by tunneling and sluging using these “ lame” tactics or still try to shame him about some racist coments but there is video abou that.

It shouldn't need to be "we should view it as" but "the game treats/reflects it as".

My experience is several years outdated but nothing in the game treats a 8 hooks/0 kills better than a 4h/4k and im pretty sure that hasn't changed in the last few years.

There is no rewarding representation of the first vs second case and everything in-between. Stop asking people to shift their view and instead for the game to make it feel rewarding.

And thats fine, but it also creates an outcome biased perspective. A match hard won vs a steamroll should give you different levels of enjoyment if you are there for the competition, and most would rather have good games with less favorable outcomes than landslides where you just win and move on.

The way the game is currently structured? Sure, but thats what people have been trying to address about the core gameplay loop. Outcome focused results have a lot of effects on things down to simple sportsmanship, which is why it would be more healthy for the game if people weren't constantly focusing on peak efficiency as their key strategy. Its the same reason why survivors were opposed to the "only surviving matches counts" blanket outcomes that rewarded selfish rat players more than altruistic players who carried whole teams on their back.

The emblem system wasn't perfect, but at this point it would be preferrable to how laser focused the game has gotten on "kill" and "survive"