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Would you say reshaders are cheating?
Obviously i'm not going to name the streamers who use them but every so often I'll go tune into a stream and the person who is streaming is using a reshader. First thing I always notice is how the blood, scratch marks always seem so unbelievably bright which makes it stand even more out of place against the darker floor or walls on maps. Even though they have been listed as "okay" to use by the devs how on earth is this not considered cheating? You are using a 3rd party to artificially make something easier to see.
I really would like to hear some thoughts on this.
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I would say there is a spectrum of cheating and using reshade is definitely on it. No in the same range of full blown hacks/cheats, but not the game as intended, either.
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if using comms is ok to gain an edge then shaders is ok too. both give some sort of benefit and both use 3rd party programs.
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how on earth is this not considered cheating? You are using a 3rd party to artificially make something easier to see.
Because the result is no different than turning up the brightness, enabling colour filters, changing settings like saturation, contrast etc. of the TV or monitor you play on. Modern monitors have much of these settings baked into them. If turning up the brightness of the game using ReShade is classed as cheating, then it follows that turning up the brightness of your monitor should be cheating too. But this would obviously be a silly stance for a developer to take, and also completely unenforceable.
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I think it's also worth pointing out that basically every big content creator in this game uses some form of filters or reshade. It's hard to explain but DbD doesn't "photograph" well and without some sort of adjustment, videos or streams of the game can look very washed out.
In a hypothetical world where the developers can and did ban for filters/reshade, DbD's popularity as a streaming game would plummet.
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I'm just waiting for a reshader that gives me walls
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Personally I'd say it depends on how it's being used and what the intent is.
If it's being used to make something more visible when it was designed and intended to be hard to notice without paying attention then at the very least it's cheesing.
If it's being used to make something more visible when it wasn't something intended to be hard to see in the first place then no. For example, I doubt they meant scratch marks to be more or less visible depending on the map so filters were just fixing the problem before they roll out the new color switching setting.
If it's being used to make the game pretty or just adjust the mood of a map then no. That's just aesthetics.
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So my monitor has built in Contrast, Brightness, Saturation and probably much more I don't care to explore so if I mess with that… would that be considered cheating? I didn't have control over what the company loaded my monitor with but I still have it nonetheless.
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kinda but like what do you think is more advantageous. reshade, or coms. obviously, coms is light years ahead in being advantageous. so as long as they permit SWF i think any discussion on reshade being cheating or not is kind of ridiculous.
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If your definition of cheating is using an out of game feature to make the game easier, yes. However, that definition would include Discord, Teamspeak (do people still use teamspeak?), etc.
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See while I agree that coms is 100% unfair we also have to acknowledge that SWF is an intended part of the game which in turn is going to include comms while I would just rather they add voice chat in game. If you're going to play with your friends why would you not use discord? Its still unfair don't get me wrong but reshaders were clearly not an expected thing.
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For people comparing rehades to to say discord you are comparing using a 3 party software to alter the game to give you an advantage versus, using software to play SWF which is literally part of the game.
I am not arguing the SWF does not provide an advantage, Yes, it does however the devs intended for SWF to be part of the game and and part of playing with friends is you speak with them, it was always intended.
What was not intended was using software with the intension of giving yourself an advantage. Let's be honest, while some using it for color blindness, which I understand that is not the majority. Discord and reshades are apples and oranges.
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You do realize that gamma options and reshaders are two different things right?
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Cheating or not. I personally I find it cringe worthy to sweat for advantages at every opportunity.
I have seen collab streams were some had the game on normal settings and the next had it ultra bright with shader or some with the aspect ratio stretching.
It looked ugly as anything and in my opinion people that have to step that low are kinda pathetic. (Ignoring accessibility issues)
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I mean the introduction of customizable scratch marks (and I am pretty sure this feature will make it to live from the current PTB) is already one step which is to become part of the official game.
I think it also will only be the first step and brightness etc. will become more customizable with time so ingame options might substitute reshaders in the future anyways.
And to be completely honest: thinking about the absolute abomination which the Borgo maps are with the new lighting (I preferred the old orange stuff but also understood it is too bad of a choice with the colour of the scratch marks)…I don't even blame some people using reshaders, streamer or not.
I don't use them myself…I just cry on Borgo because I CANNOT SEE S***.
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Some shaders can make killer red stain visible through many textures, so it's kind of exploit. But as I know not every filter do it
But if killer can realise they playing against sfw, it’s impossible to realise do player has shaders. So… that what make it kinda unfair
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Cheating : act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
It's an unfair advantage since the game isn't balanced for it, so yeah, I'd call it cheating.
Oddly the definition of cheating is quite broad/vague though, so you could actually call a lot of things in dbd "cheating", and not technically be wrong. I tend to find people taking the term "cheating" less on definitional value though and more what the general consensus considers cheating (which is typically just "do the devs allow it"). I personally go by definitions pretty strictly as devs allowing it or not has nothing to do with the true definition.
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I think it is unfair aswell but you know humans.
They will try everything to defend such things.
Just think about strech resolution, when some players claimed it looks amazing and thats the only reason they want to keep it while their survivor looked like the square block in tetris.
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Same sentiment as the poster above.
People abused the hell out of stretch resolution and diehard defended it until it was removed. Anyone with a IQ over room temp knew why they were using it.
Same thing w/ reshade. A lot of people will claim innocence but I don't think they are. Until its absolutely removed/banned, people will continue to rely on it.
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i feel like im the only one who uses filters to darken maps. Eyrie and corn give me headaches so i have made a filter only for those since its easier to quickly adjust the brightness by turning it on with alt f3 and a click opposed to go through dbd’s graphic’s settings all the way to the bottom and changing the gamma(i already play at its default).
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reshade gives both sides a huge advantage and should be considered cheating since survivors can notice the red stain far before someone who doesn't
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Yes
You are using a program that is not available to the majority of the player base in order to gain some kind of advantage over other players playing the game. That is by definition cheating.
That's not even accounting for the fact that you can use reshade to see things like red stain THROUGH WALLS that you normally wouldn't be able to see.
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Yes. The game looks nothing like what it's supposed to. Force people to up the gamma instead of allowing filters. The devs will never do anything about filters though as they have no clue how to stop people from using them. :/
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For killer it helps you see survivors very far and its definitely more better sor survivor because many loops are super hardcore for the killer to mind game especialy like those jungle gyms and many other loops on grrenvile (unknown or fryddys maps) because those planks have small spaces between and with good reshade you can see killers redstain like it would be flashlight in night time its so discusting advantage that shouldnt be allowed for both sides survivors get huge help in chase and killers get easier time to spot survivors across the map.
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Of course it is, but I don't care.
It's not like this is a high comp game where it might matter… and even when there are tourneys, they all use reshade anyways.
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It's like counting cards at a casino. Except instead of screwing over the big man you're just slighting everyone you're playing against. Frowned upon but not agains the rules :/
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It can give an advantage but I don't really consider it full on cheating, I think it's similar to SWFs with comms in that it's an advantage over how the game was designed to be played, but just completely unenforceable and not bad enough of an advantage to make it a major issue. I used to use reshade just to slightly increase the brightness back before the gamma setting was added, but stopped using it since then since I only ever used it due to the game not having a gamma/brightness filter back then. And even if BHVR were to ban reshade you could just change the settings on your monitor straight up to get the same effects, which is why it's just unenforceable.
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i still consider it cheating since there is a massive difference between using it and not using to the point where the game looks completely different with how much reshade affects the game
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No and devs agree.
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Yes
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Tools like ReShade, stretched resolutions, and VPNs indeed provide an unfair advantage. They should not be tolerated.
It might suck for people who just use ReShade to make the game look better or use VPNs for a fake sense of security, but overall, these tools can be misused and should probably be blacklisted.
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If you're making the environment black & white while the characters glow red, that's cheating.
If you're adding a bit of gaussian blur and extra film grain to improve the cinematic quality, that's fine.
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The developers have explicitly okay’d reshade as a program for use in DBD, so it isn’t cheating by definition, we could end the discussion there.
And although reshade has some functions you can’t get by just changing color settings on a TV, it doesn’t do anything like make only red stain or scratch marks more visible. Any time someone makes a super filter to make the reds visible, it makes all reds visible. So they are likely sacrificing visibility in other areas (like making it harder to see around fire barrels). If you’re arguing that there is a reshade setting with only objective advantages and no objective disadvantages, like a simple brightness filter for dark maps, I’d argue that that exposes a design flaw by the developers.
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It's cringe, but not cheating.
Plus, we literally got the option to make the scratch marks as contrasting as possible basekit.
So nope, not cheating.
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If reshaders is cheating then so is being on external comms.
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And neither could possibly be regulated. Although it widens further what we shouldn't be widening.
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