Surviviors are in much worse spot now... kinda sad rant

Yeah I agree with a lot of which you say, I advocate about point 4 a lot myself.

the casual survivor playerbase doesn't really exist much anymore, my friends would rather play other games, I consider myself more of a passionate fan of this game, my friends who mainly joined this game for whatever IP was relevant to them has been turned away by how awful its playerbase is treat.

They were all really hopeful over the anti tunnel and slug, and bhvr crushed that so… :))) IDC if it was the "Right" or "wrong" thing to do, recent choices have been awful in the eyes of the casual survivor playerbase and also lack of choices too.

I think I have something to say to all points you made, even tho I dont fully agree.

New Item - Smoke Bomb.

I agree here. It is laughable what they made of Fog Vials, it is one of those kneejerk reactions they are currently doing. Instead of questioning if complaints are even valid, they just do it to please the loud Killers who complain. The only thing they should have done to Fog Vials was to give them charges (arguably, maybe more than 2) and make them consistent on all maps, since on some maps they barely did anything and on other maps they were stronger than usually. But that they nerfed the opacity was just dumb, Fog Vials are useless now and there is 0 point in taking one since you can see clearly in them (unless you have vision problems I guess, but this is then another kick against accessibility if you can see clearly with good vision, but bad with impaired vision..). The correct thing to do would have been to just wait a bit until a) Killers have getting used to Survivors using a new Item and b) waiting for new toy syndrome to wear off, since after a few days less people would have used them. But here we are, Killers complaining about Fog Vials, while equally complaining that Survivors only bring Medkits and Toolboxes.

A side effect of Fog Vials is btw. that opening chests has become more pointless now, since you have more junk in them, meaning that something to do aside Gens was nerfed again. And a Perk like Dramaturgy is also way worse, because you now get Fog Vials, which are pointless. (And for some reason broken Keys, which are brown Add Ons, but nobody cared to fix this…)

Pallet density update

I fully agree that the latest update to Pallet Density was really, really bad. However, I dont think that the previous version was perfect either. It was needed on some maps like Haddonfield, some Coldwind-Maps, Forgotten Ruins and Swamp. But the Devs decided to add Pallets to almost every map, changing Tiles on almost every map (making them weaker) and making main buildings weaker by removing breakable Walls and strong Windows.

However, instead of reverting what they did, they went in the complete different direction and overcompensated. Now the Maps feature very weak Loops and sometimes no Pallets in certain areas. If we look at the initial goal, which was to reduce Deadzones, they clearly failed it since there are now more deadzones than before. And they even weakend Main Buildings further, e.g. of adding back the breakable Wall on Gas Heaven, they removed both Pallets of the Main Building on Shaded Woods.

And I dont really understand why they did it like this - it seems like hate to revert things, because reverts would mean that they admit to a failure.

Change to map offerings and map rotation being just bad.

I would say that the map rotation is bad. Sometimes it feels like they increase the odds of certain maps without telling anyone. I also think that nerfing Map Offerings was bad - the better solution would be to make outliers less strong. Most Maps are either balanced or slightly survivor-sided or slightly killer-sided. And I think this is completely fine to have Maps which slightly favor one side. There were just a few outliers which were too survivor-sided or too killer-sided, those should have been adressed. Nerfing Map Offerings was just the lazy solution.

However, I agree that they should have just removed them completely. There are now 21 Map Offerings and the Sacrificial Ward which are completely and 100% useless, but which you still have to spend BP on. They should be removed, but I have the feeling they keep them in the game to make certain things like BPS more rare.

Killers balance is still bad.&Going against same killers all the time.

Yes, this is a thing. Sadly I dont think it will never happen. To be clear, the only way to balance Killers is to actually buff or nerf the respective Killer, not to give general Killer Buffs/Nerfs or Survivor Buffs/Nerfs. Because a Killer Buff for all Killers will always be better for the strong Killers than the Nerfs. Likewise a Nerf to all Killers will hit the weak Killers more than the strong Killers.

And the Devs NEED to address Killers like Ghoul, Nurse or Blight. Because they are holding back to much which can be made better for Killers. You just cannot balance if there is such a big difference in the roster. I mean, I expect Ghoul to be nerfed at some point, since it is quite obvious that Ghoul was made intentially super easy to play while being very strong, because Anime in DBD was quite controversial, so they needed a selling argument for people who were against Anime in DBD. But it is a Joke that Nurse never got substantial Nerfs which would have lead to people actually questioning if she is the best Killer in the game. Since her introduction, every Tier List basically puts Nurse at the top of S-Tier without any reasoning, because everyone knows she is the best Killer. I would not even have a problem if she would still be the best Killer after meaningful Nerfs, but it would be nice if people would actually debate if she or another Killer is the best Killer in the game.

And the second point… M1-Killers are a strawman nowadays. Whenever something is nerfed on the Killer side or buffed on the Survivor Side, people claim that M1-Killers will be the ones suffering. But the thing is, even if Nerfs or Buffs are reverted, people still dont play their M1-Killer. And why should they? There is an abundance of easy to play Killers which are way stronger than the classical M1-Killers. Like, since the Patch with the latest Pallet Density dropped, I have faced 3 M1-Killers (2 Trappers, 1 Clown) in all of the games I did since then and I am playing Survivor every evening for at least 3 hours. You will only get Killer variety if you nerf the strongest Killers and buff the weakest Killers. Only doing the latter will not really increase variety that much, at least if you play against people who want to win. Because there is objectively 0 reason to play anything else than Nurse, Blight or Ghoul if you want to in.

And yes, I would also agree, you can win with B- and C-Tier Killers. You can win with every Killer in the game, just less often with the weaker ones.

Hit registration is just so bad sometimes.


Yes, I 100% agree here. I also feel that the ping indicator ingame is somethings straight up wrong. Sometimes I see that the Killer is getting the symbol of having high Ping while their ping is 30-40, which is not high ping at all. And sometimes I get really, really strange Hits (most likely due to high latency), but the Killers Ping is a stable 25 or so. And that it is completely stable and does not change it all is the strange thing.

Sadly I dont think we will ever see a fix here - the thing is that they cannot really make a meaningful hit detection if they cannot provide Servers to everyone. And it should not be the case that players who just live in the "wrong" part of the world should not get any Hits anymore, just because BHVR does not want or cannot put a Server next to them.

Devs are afraid of community feedback

Yes, I sometimes feel the same. Especially if an Update is controversial, you see that the Devs are radio-silent on the Forums. Simply because they know if they post something, they will be quited by a lot of people who want to actually have answers. And the sad thing is that the game is in a worse state than it was a year ago, where they had the audacity to ask that we vote for DBD in the Labor of Love category. And even more sad is that they delayed content for basically nothing. Their health operation was a big failure. It must be so frustrating to work for BHVR, imagine you spend hours of work on features just for them not to be implemented, because people complained immediatly.

When it comes to content creators, I feel that they also complain too much and many of this is due to content generation. It just clicks better if you predict the death of DBD in a video. "Funny" thing is that the same content creators then complain if a Midchapter Patch (like the recent one) is a nothingburger - yeah, guess what, if you protest against almost everything in a patch and it gets pulled back, nothing is left, so the patch is a nothingburger.

But the worse thing is that they are currently listening too much. A few years ago BVHR was still listening, but they just did not suddenly implement or cancel things just because the community complained. A good example would be the first Rework of Ruin - massive protests, but they followed through with it and it was for the better. And the same would have been with the initial Anti-Tunnel and Anti-Slug changes - following through with them and tune them on Live. Because a punishment for tunneling and actual rewards for not tunneling (so more than BPs) is a good and healthy idea. And Killers would have to adapt at some point, but I think that most would have been able to do so only the ones who rely on tunneling every game would have had it harder. And once the features are on the Live Servers, they can be adjusted like bumping up the benefits for not tunneling or decreasing the penalties if needed.

However, and this is the thing which is bad, the Devs immediatly listened to the loudest people and all of the work was gone. And it also servers as a precedent and we will now see Killers mass complain on every change which might weaken them. And a few years a go the Devs listened, but they were actually critical. @crogers271 showed some good posts of Peanits questioning things which were said by Killer Mains here, which is how you have to discuss. And not just blindly follow with kneejerk reaction after kneejerk reaction.

But the worst thing in all of it is - they announced Stranger Things 2 and the backlash got a lot less. Which shows again and again, BHVR can mess up all they want, but people will forget it once a few cool skins are released or a cool license is announced. Which means BHVR will never have any desire to change how they work.

There are not any instant loss Killers.

it was abused by surviviors, they always would choose macmillan or azarov

You're forgetting the endless wave of Badham offerings, actually. I saw way more of those than Azarov's or Macmillan offerings.

The pallet density update was not fine either, it was incredibly busted. The adjustment to it was not okay either, though.

behaviour lost my respect,

This game feels pretty dead for survivor now… me and my friends don’t play anymore. Let the killers have the longest queues ever.