Playing during Christmas is the worst possible experience

or it might be the fact that people don't all celebrate christmas there is other religions and in the end its three days do you really think everyone has something to do on all three days. I for example spent 24th with family sharing the gifts and then the other two days we do what we want. Not everyone celebrate its like you think they do.

Why would they also not play the game seriously its their right to decide how they play that does not correlate anyway of their personal life or if they have family or friends.

Also to note I had bad matches and good ones on both sides did not really differ at all and expecting killers not to play the game is oddly selfish statement.

I took a complete break from DBD after 5 years straight of playing from start of October and didn't even visit the forums or follow what's been going on. Came back this week (as I'd planned to do) and the first obvious thing in 20or so games is that they didn't follow through with any of the slugging and tunnelling stuff they planned to implement! Every game someone gets tunnellled out and people taking protection hits to try and prevent it get slugged. It's like nothing at all has changed in the past two months.

BHVR designed the game so one person can have a huge ego trip over other people. A good game would never allow one person a power role over other players because it gets abused.

Just had a match with a legion hitting me on hook and the last survivor remaining with me (who was only cleansing totems) farmed me off the hook.

You said about "power", in 1v4 that one has to be strong enough to play against 4 other players simultaneously, otherwise it's just bullying simulator. No idea what you mean by "denying others from playing the game", but there is a reason why "bully squad" is a real term and "bully killer" is not, since it's only a group that can bully one person, never the other way around.

this basically. for perspective, while i personally don't go out of my way to make people miserable during christmas, i am not as joyous as others and my expectations of having a good holiday is always low, either due to isolation or terrible circumstances. so i'd probably be using DBD to escape right now if i wasn't still in bed right now.

it may come out in the way i play because i tend to be less tolerant or forgiving of others, which might translate to "making people's christmas games horrible" for others. but the intentions aren't to cause pain. some of us just want to keep ourselves busy until dec. 26th.

Thanks for mentioning that. Nobody wants to talk about that because apparently it's ok for killers to go on record "bullying" 1975 players.

Be mad at BHVR for allowing it, and totally ignoring half of their players, with smugness as well.

On your first point. Ok so how does anything you stated there counter anything I stated either? Like even if you know or even if I knew people from other religions that celebrate christmas does not make my statement that all don't anyway more of a fact.

On your second there is no correlation you are just some reason either getting matches you yourself classify killer to be sweating or they just happen to be doing so. I would really love to get a cent every time I get called sweating as killer when I played totally normal match. Still I can also then use my own experience today and state I have not really seen much sweating just normal gameplay from killers.

Yeah you claiming I am wrong and trying to add info is not you agreeing but trying to somehow correct me on thing that I am not wrong about. I comprehended your point quite clear as you delivered as you wanted it to be.

It is not but keep saying it is and it will magically become so eventually.

you should be thanking these lonely killers with no friends, if it wasnt for them playing killer during the christmas holidays then you as survivor wouldnt have any matches because there would be no killers lol.

I seriously encourage you to play killer sometime. Based on your post history, I’m drawing the conclusion that you’ve never tried it yourself. If I’m wrong on this, please feel free to correct me with some recent killer game stats. I think you’ll find that it’s not as easy as you seem to think it is.

Were you SWF or Solo?

I have to assume SWF as otherwise you, too, would be playing alone during the holidays, which would be peak irony.

Facts there are even now killer bonus mostly in evening and queues are super fast for killer too wonder why.

So your suggestion is to just play killer? I don't think that is a valid solution.

Making conclusions about balance based on extreme cases on either side makes no statistical sense. That’s like concluding “oh we have to nerf bats in baseball because Shohei Ohtani is too good at hitting.” Those cases mean nothing because they don’t apply to 99.9999% of players.

You have to look at the overall player population. Kill/escape ratio is 60/40 in favor of killer. That is a very intentional ratio target set by BHVR based on how many people want to play either killer or survivor. Clearly they found that this is the sweet spot where the highest number of people choose either side. Very important point: NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIKE IT. You cannot please everyone in anything in life. Plenty of players, including myself, are totally fine escaping 40% of the time while playing the survivor role. Some do better, some do worse. That’s how averages work.

If you’re doing worse, it’s not because the game balance is broken because obviously plenty of other players are able to do better. It means that you yourself need to do better. I’m not saying this in a derogatory way - I was very bad at survivor when I started playing, so I understand how it feels. But I played more, watched videos from content creators, learned how to improve and now I can escape fairly consistently. And I don’t play all that much - maybe 3-5 hours a week. If I can do it, anyone can.

“In another game, if you are able to acquire a skill in that game and use that skill to essentially be undefeated, the responsibility of those devs would be to nerf it and rightfully so. In any other game it would be nerfed”

I would agree with you if that applied to the overall player base - BUT IT DOESN'T. Again - I don’t know any other way to try to make you understand this - balance has to be done based on the experiences of the average player, not based on the performance of the top player in the world. Nerfing all killers because one guy is really really good would just drive away a bunch of killer players. Maybe that doesn’t matter to you because you don’t play killer, but it matters to the vast majority of players who are just average killer players (many of whom play both sides, by the way) and have to put in a decent amount of skill and effort to win in a good proportion of their matches.

Will you at least answer this question: do you play killer yourself?

This question is basically moot. That's like saying Shohei Ohtani can't give his opinion on pitching because he's a designated hitter. He absolutely can have an opinion and be 100% up to date on the meta of pitching because he interacts with other pitchers and can infer based on what he has to do to get on base.

Shohei Ohtani doesn't need to pitch 50 games before he can have his opinion.

You're also banking on the fact that whatever experience someone has playing killer is radically going to change how they view the balance of killer. It just straight up isn't like that. You are conflating people learning game sense and macro knowledge with some idea that survivors "just don't understand how hard it is for killer." People with good game sense and macro know what to do. They know what the killer is going to do, so they either converge on a Nash equilibrium or make a risky play. Playing killer isn't going to drastically open their eyes to the killer experience because they already have that knowledge and they play killer in their mind while playing survivor.

The issue at hand is that killers have a wider safety net when it comes to their Nash equilibrium. If any survivor makes one mistake in the entire match, it's most likely at least a 2k for the killer because snowballing is out of control on dbd for killer. The only real mistake killers have to face is if they do not down a survivor before 60 seconds into the match elapses. Everything else pales in comparison.

There is a reason the 1975 streak build is corrupt, dead man's switch, pain res, and grim embrace. If gens do not get done in that 60 second window, you win if you are a semi decent player. If 5 gens are still up 2 minutes into the match, the killer already won.

Did you see the second post?