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Video proof that killer mains control the devs game design decisions via political lobbying.
Official Dead by Daylight Nov 2025 Live Stream
Step 1) After going to the official dev live stream linked above, click Open panel on Live Chat Replay. Then set 'Top chat replay' to 'Live chat replay' in the chat panel on the right.
Step 2) Skip to 27:07 of the dev live stream, where the dev asks chat to press K if you're a killer main, S if you're a survivor main, or B if you're both.
Step 3) Watch on the right panel until about 28:30 as the chat is flooded overwhelmingly with "K's", and hardly any S or B's. Another dev says "a lot of B" but if you actually look at the chat, it is clearly mostly K's and many chatters are pointing that out.
This is just one glaring example of how on big social media platforms like YouTube, it is mostly killer mains watching, or even if it isn't, the killer mains are certainly the loudest voices in public chat. This is especially notable considering that the game design requires 4 survivors for every killer, yet killer mains are still overwhelmingly dominating the official dev chat.
I've also noticed this to be the case in places like the official Dead by Daylight Reddit, where if you make a survivor-sided post wanting killer nerfs, no matter how politely stated, you will usually get heavily downvoted to 0, but if you make a killer-sided post complaining about survivors, you are far more likely to get a high upvote percentage (there are exceptions of course, it is popular to hate on Kaneki, for instance). Looking at Steam reviews, there appears to be far more killer mains threatening to uninstall/quit the game due to it being "survivor-sided" (there are a fair number of complaints from both sides, just more killer complaints).
It isn't unreasonable to think that this is also the case when it comes to public feedback surveys on game balance, such as the anti tunneling/slugging/camping PTB which got very quickly scrapped before killers would even have time to adapt to the changes since the killers were heard "loud and clear" that the changes were "too punishing for killers". Killers that have come to rely on slugging/tunneling/proxy camping to get high kill rates need time to adapt to these kinds of changes, just like survivors need time to learn to counter new killers. But no such time was given in the anti-tunneling PTB. Just a knee jerk reaction by the devs to scrap the changes after social media outrage. From a corporate perspective, BHVR may essentially panic when they see this kind of reaction, fearing that the game's popularity will plummet if they balance the game fairly.
Since a lot of people are easily swayed by public opinion because they want to be part of the "in-group", a lot of survivor mains will simply agree with whatever narrative seems to be the most popular on social media from big content creators that push a "BHVR hates killer mains and the game is survivor-sided" narrative. Because that becomes the "cool" thing to say even if it's a false narrative that doesn't reflect the actual gameplay experience for the majority of the player base. And a lot of people don't want to stand out as the devil's advocate like me, since they are liable to be shunned or accused of trolling, etc (look at what happened to Jesus for telling the truth).
I first started playing Dead by Daylight in 2016 when the game balance was far more friendly towards survivors than it is now, and SWF didn't even exist. So there were a lot of passionate yet frustrated killer mains playing the game. My theory is that they basically learned to band together on social media as a minority and make their voices heard loud and clear by the devs. However, that same outspoken killer main culture has persisted to this day, in 2025, in spite of the survivor role being heavily nerfed for several years now, the killer main victim narrative has remained exactly the same as it was since 2016. This kind of baffles me. I remember back then, killer was so much harder to play, and now it is way, way easier to play that role. Like night and day. Yet killer mains now seem even more adamant than ever that killer is miserable to play and that survivors have it so easy with all their crutch perks.
It's not that survivors don't complain to the devs, it is that killer mains tend to complain much louder. There could even be psychological factors at play, which is that the killer role tends to attract more aggressive players that want to dominate as the power role, whereas survivor is more of an underdog role where you are supposed to run away from the bad guy. So survivors may be more tolerant of being slaughtered over and over, whereas the comp Blight's absolutely loath getting anything less than a 4K extended win streak. A loss feels all the more humiliating since they're supposed to win playing an S tier.
BONUS: Go to 13 min in the live stream and observe the chat panel on the right and how many killer mains are spamming "JUSTICE FOR KILLERS". Even if there are more survivor mains that killer mains, they seem to be a lot more quiet. It is ironically quite a similar phenomenon to minority groups protesting in real life.
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i feel like you are a ragebaiter, but i just cant prove it. Killer main has bias for his role. It’s really not that deep.
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I provided video proof of everything I said…you can't deny it when its in your face.
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Yeah, and then devs don't get why killers slug on The Game…
It's not that survivors don't complain to the devs, it is that killer mains tend to complain much louder.
Then we wouldn't get to whole anti-everything in first place. Skully wouldn't be nuked. Ultimate weapon almost removed…
Devs nerf/buff things on both sides. You just see only what you want to see.
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trust me bro
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They put out updates supposedly to help survivor then scrap it completely and the end result is usually just killer role being stronger. Example…pallets were added. Killers cried. Loops gutted. Survivors cried. Loops slightly strengthened but not back to original strength. Overall result…maps stronger for killers, weaker for survivors.
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true they are always killer sided they just don't wanna admit it like cowards
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Those are really bad examples tho.
Skull Merchant was horrible designed. And when the Devs want to actually change her power, there was backlash. But her initial design was very boring and unhealthy, especially the 3-genning. (We should not forget that the one Skull Merchant player hold against the best team in the world for almost an hour…)
And Ultimate Weapon was just overtuned, because the radius of its detection was too big, since it moved with the Killer. On top of it it had great synergy with DMS.
Changes to both were very justified. But I agree that things get nerfed and buffed on both sides, but considering that in the past few months two attempts of implementing Anti-Tunnel and Anti-Slug were torpedoed by Killer Mains and the new shiny Survivor Item (Fog Vials) were made useless after 1 week (with a further nerf 1 week later) is quite unique and did not happen like that before since the release of Freddy I would say.
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Well, why it happened in first place? That "QoL"
Killers complained maps are too easy or what?
Then killers asked to revert it on most maps, that's it. Not really our fault devs have to over do everything.-7 -
Video evidence of what? A bunch of killer mains who were watching a dev stream and typed K in the chat? What does this prove?
The devs are balancing the game to their liking based on what they perceive from the community, their consultants, and whatever other factors they have.
I am not even sure what the point of this post is. Do you have trouble escaping as survivor? I can give you a few essential tips that might greatly help you.
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Not really, I agree they had to change, but they simply don't support the narrative "only killer buffs, survivor nerfs", because killers complained…
And same as with everything devs do, both of them were massive overkill. It was not justified. Skully got nuked into Z tier, same for Ultimate weapon.
Were they supposed to get nerfed? Yes
Were they supposed to get nerfed that much? NoDevs did exactly same thing with pallets and fog vials. Overnerf the hell out of them. Thing is they just don't want to fine tune changes and it's just all or nothing. If it doesn't work they nuke it, so it's not an issue anymore.
That's dev issue, not survivors, not killers.torpedoed by Killer Mains
Well, anti-everything update was also an overkill and should have not go live. Devs just wanted to do too much and couldn't handle it.
You want examples where exactly same thing happen? Trickster rework and Twins rework
Trickster was reworked and he was broken. So they nuked him from PTB to Live and he was worse than how he started.
Twins were completely busted, so they reverted almost everything.
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Because from an objective standpoint the game is clearly heavily killer-sided. So the devs decide to balance their game to be more fair. Then they receive extreme backlash mostly from the killer main side and the changes get reverted or simply don't even make it through PTB. Of course some nerfs to killers get through, but the overall trend over the years is survivor role gets progressively weaker, leaving solo Q survivors more and more to be the pinata's for low skill killer mains abusing cheese tactics. And a lot of these killer mains don't even realize they're often going up against survivors that far exceed their skill level, because the matchmaking barely works. So Bob Joe who put 20 hours into Bubba or Wraith gets steam rolled by survivors with 1-2K hours each and comes out of that experience thinking the game is survivor sided and then believes the digital chorus on YouTube by killer main content creators who claim that killer role is miserable and unplayable.
And you know what…if killer is power role, that's fine, it is a horror game and I would rather a challenge as survivor than boredom. But if killer gets to be power role, at least let the player base acknowledge the truth of it instead of pretending survivor role as a whole somehow has the upper hand.
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alright, so i believe that likening this to "minority group protests" after saying "all of this is like when jesus told the truth" multiple times in these forums tells me you are either making these posts and responses in bad faith or are simply just trolling. every time you post something it sounds antagonistic. either way it's not welcome here.
there's a line to be drawn somewhere: this is a video game. if you're gonna discuss things, do it with diplomacy or don't post at all.
you've been at this for a while and you don't seem legitimate.
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Evidence that killers politically lobby to make survivor role progressively weaker. They have the loudest voice on social media when it comes to feedback.
I've played mostly solo Q since 2016 so I handle myself just fine in-game. My escape rate is above average. I'm simply exposing the chorus of killer mains saying killer is the underdog and that survivors have it so easy nowadays due to all their "second chance perks" and handholding from BHVR. That narrative becomes comical if you played the game from 2016 - 2022.
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When my arguments and proof are too good, just label me a "troll" to discredit me. Good job.
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So the devs decide to balance their game to be more fair.
The pallet changes was even on survivor sided maps. Most people wouldn't care if it happened on Haddonfield and Borgo, those maps were actually killer sided.
But no, it happened on way more maps and we have seen shack with 4 fillers around it…I really don't defend pallet nerf after it, but first version was also wrong,
simply don't even make it through PTB
It happened even to killer changes. Trickster and Twins rework.
So again, not just survivor thing. All of them were just too much and it's easier for devs to remove it completely.they're often going up against survivors that far exceed their skill level
Well, also many survivors go against killers that far exceed their skill level. So to them it definetly will feel as killer sided game. Issue of match making, not the game in general.
player base acknowledge the truth of it instead of pretending survivor role as a whole somehow has the upper hand
Well, whole issue is for survivors even single bad survivor can lose you a game and that's simply likely to happen unless you play SWF, where you get to choose your players…
I have had soloQ games, where we demolished killers, simply because we all knew how to play, but it's random with matchmaking.
I have played in strong SWF groups and basically only Nurse/Blight were challenging, most killers were free escapes.I believe SWF vs killer balance is pretty good, so there is no need to change whole balance of the game and we should just try to improve soloQ. I was asking for chat wheel for a long time.
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sorry, but i don't believe you. from the many times you've posted here as of recent, every post of yours had intentional language to make it provocative. you are not defending your bias in good faith. you're rightfully being discredited.
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I've played mostly solo Q since 2016 so I handle myself just fine in-game. My escape rate is above average.
You literally said it yourself. If you have an above average escape rate as a soloq player then survivor most definitely does NOT need buffs. Imagine 4 of you in the same team. What do you want a 90% escape rate with pallet vacuums, horrible extremely sruvivor sided map designs, stretched res, and wratih, pig, lf, etc everyone reverted to their trash states before their buffs which made them playable, lack of strong killers such as dracula, blight? Even with all these you are still maintaining an above average rate.
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And a lot of people don't want to stand out as the devil's advocate like me, since they are liable to be shunned or accused of trolling, etc (look at what happened to Jesus for telling the truth).
Its a video game and this is the comparison they go for? Obvious troll.
@jedimaster505 did you take up @Shroompy on their 1v1 offer? If you win people will take you more seriously
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Cause the matchmaking is trash so a lot killers I go against have far less experience than I do. A lot of my escapes are just me getting out solo while 3 other survivors get obliterated by a Blight or Kaneki or Twins or Spirit, etc. 4 of me on the same team would certainly be a force to reckon with since that 16K hours total experience but if I was against a comp killer with 4K hours the game would still be killer-sided, albeit the margin is closer as you approach the higher MMR.
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Look, you have no counter-argument to the Jesus argument and it works perfectly at this time of year.
The greatest swordsman wins the sword fight by avoiding it altogether. I rest my case.
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At least this was one of the funniest things I've read all year, I'll give you that.
Step 3) Watch on the right panel until about 28:30 as the chat is flooded overwhelmingly with "K's", and hardly any S or B's. Another dev says "a lot of B" but if you actually look at the chat, it is clearly mostly K's and many chatters are pointing that out.
I also want to point out that they were watching twitch chat not youtube chat and while the youtube chat is primarily K's, twitch chat is in fact more B's and generally more even overall. This says something about viewers that chose to watch and type in chat on youtube but nothing else.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2624341221
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Even if thats true B + K's is still more killer sided. Funny how it's not overwhelmingly S
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Im so confused. How is that funny? What is happening? Why are you likening yourself to a religious figure? Are you narcissistic? Does the letter
Ktrigger you?I'm gonna be Trapper for Halloween next year. You?
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You certainly are. Funny as in what an interesting coincidence.
I am simply leading the survivor player base to salvation by saying the truth that almost no killer main wants to admit. If that makes me a prophet for the forgotten solo Q survivors, then so be it. I never asked to be in this position, but it is the Entity's will, not mine, which must be done.
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wow this is concerning. are you okay?
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This person has been purposefully antagonizing/trolling killer players for the past few days across multiple threads. Funny how they appeared out of nowhere while mods are on holiday break. Hopefully it will be dealt with when mods are back.
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You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
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we can and we will, once you start speaking it. Which so far you have not.
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yeah at this point it makes more sense to just flag their posts and move on. this is a reoccurring issue. hopefully it gets handled soon. people, once again, have nothing better to do.
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riiight. you're butthurt that I exposed the truth so now you're trying to silence the voice of survivors
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If your that upset may I suggest another game to play instead that you'll likely enjoy such as Death Garden or that VHS monster game? The victims in those 2 games are rather strong I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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ok
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this is some nazi zombie/fnaf level conspiracy
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Comparing yourself to Jesus is not "good arguments" or "proof", it's either trolling or delusion. I'm leaning troll, which is fun, I appreciate that, but the act is a little weak. Put a bit more effort into the bit. You went from repetitive to Jim Jones a little too fast. Work on your character development, picture them as a real person in your mind. Maybe write it out in a notebook so they're fully fleshed out. Trolling is an art and a skill that takes practice to master. Good luck!
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The proof is in the pudding sweetheart. I gave you video evidence right from the get go. Did you review it? Doubt so.
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You're only the thousandth person to bring this exact thing is this exact video up. Not exactly original. Try again.
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Oh yeah, who else brought it up? I don't see any evidence.
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So you just started engaging with the dbd community this week? The video has tens of thousands of views, was cut up, posted, and referenced all over social media, and had at least a dozen threads in this forum about it, with both sides using it to prove their points, which you probably know, because you're likely on account number 27 in the forum. But no, you're the first to notice this obscure piece of data. Amazing. You're really commuting to the delusional thing and I appreciate that.
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No I don't mean that people have watched the stream, obviously they have. Do you have evidence that "thousands" of people have specifically brought up the fact that the chat was flooded with K's, indicating that killer mains are manipulating BHVR's game design via lobbying.?
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I mean, I myself have often said killers are louder and steer the narrative, particularly through content creators. That's a pretty common view.
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Ever tried finding any content creators that go into detail about why those changes were a good thing and should've went through? Cause every single DBD content creator vid i could find all agreed those changes would've been too damaging for the game. I even happened to find 2 survivor mains that also agreed with killers the changes were bad.
You haven't listed a single thing to support your claim or any ideas how to help the game or either role without it being abusable or weaponized by either side. The only thing you claim to have is a lot of people just spamming K or B in a YouTube stream and just that one stream just happened to influence the devs decision when they already made up their minds before they even started the stream.
Your arguments are weak and holds no light at all.
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I have appreciated all you do with your lil friends on this forum. But I wonder if its a disservice to bring such pure things into this… realm. Even in picture, the Entity is… powerful.
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The Entity can eat my whole bottom.
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