Giving up seems to be so common now, why?

It started to become more frequent when MMR got introduced, and it really got worse after 6.1.0
I am not really sure as to why people give up so much.
I could understand abandoning in the end-game to skip the inevitable mori, so that you don't have to sit through one for the 200'd time. But outright DC's.. Either the players must have been on a long losing streak, and this match was the last straw, or it is something else causing it.
But the giving up, or team-trolling.. that one I can not understand either.

There was a several-day period, maybe 8 months ago, where there were no DC penalties. It was well known. I saw no uptick in DCs. "Every survivor" isn't a fair statement. I've never once DCed as survivor. It's either the sort of thing you'll do or not, regardless of penalty.

As it is now, you can just AFK under hook or run up to the killer to die, which is much worse for the match than having a bot. I'd rather have a bot that will do gens, heal, and unhook than someone who will suicide out or go rat in a corner. How are those things good for the game?

Neither are good for the game. Both DCs and intentionally tanking in matches should be punished. I am not advocating for either of these things, but you are advocating for the former.

DCs should be punished with matchmaking bans like they already are (they should be even worse, IMO), and intentionally tanking in the game should be punished by giving you a big penalty to MMR so you get paired with worse and worse teammates the more you tank. This is why the MMR system so desperately needs to be changed. Incentivize people to stay in doomed matches by increasing MMR for playing well (eg survivors taking killers on long chases, killers getting more hits and hooks even if all survivors escape, etc).

When I play survivor, I’d rather have harder opponents if it also means better teammates, 100%. Going against bad killers is still miserable when teammates don’t know how to play or give up immediately the first time they get downed. This is all about the incentive to try to play well so you’ll be paired with better teammates in the next match.

I don’t buy the “false positives” arguments. Good survivors that can take killers on long chases will still get scored better for playing well even if they get eliminated early. That’s the whole point of the system I’m proposing. Getting tunneled out early wouldn’t be nearly as discouraging if you still get rewarded for playing well.

People are gonna hate me for saying this, but I really think a lot of the rage quitting and tantrum stuff in dbd is at least partially caused by not having a full on ranked and unranked mode. Dbd was (and according to the devs still is I guess) a "casual fun game." It was never designed to be this knock down, drag out comp fest. And yet its become that and you can't even get away from it. At higher mmr, it's every match. And you can't fail a bunch of times and sink all the way down because there are those set caps to keep you from doing just that.

And if we had a "casual it's all about fun" mode, I'd say take the dc penalty away in that one and funnel all the rage quitters out of the "ranked serious" mode. If people are just wanting fun, they can quit over in fun casual mode. Yeah, some people would end up playing with bots. But they're doing that anyway.

Mhhhh hot topic…

I guess a big part of the DC epidemic started when some smaller content creators on Instagram, Tiktok and so one started to advertise dcing because situation X "which was clearly their fault" was uncounterable. Younger Generations of players have a much lower tolerance to the word "failure".

Another thing which I will try to point out is the following. BHVR showed the playerbase that they will act faster on problems when to many players dc. It started with Skull Merchant and the Genkick lockdown. So many players see it as "dogma" to dc at everything they think should be removed from the game.

Hmm, if they remove DC penalty in casual and increase it tenfold in ranked, I would definetly play ranked…

I'm not hating you but what would prevent people with competitive mindset from going unranked mode to dunk on casual people?

That wouldn't work without a working strict matchmaking system like in league of legends.

I never played much ranked there, stayed bronze from the dew time I bother, but since my base skill increased I still got matched against gold.

And when I played with a grandmaster/challenger friend I had to survive against diamond opponents. All in normal queue.

I started giving up as killer (although not DCing, just opening the gates and not chasing anyone) in hopeless games against bully squads, because it makes playing killer much less stressful. 95% of the killer stress and therefore the famous killer anxiety comes from desperately trying to win an impossible game, like against a coordinated SWF with second chances. Lacking experience, you think you can do something, because you still hit them, you still hook them, but it's a bait and all of it is for naught, as with all of their additional health states, saves, coordination and body blocks they just push the gens and teabag you at the gates, safely unhooking anyone you manage to hook during the endgame. This is always frustrating, because you are trying your best, hyperfocused, and still fail miserably. But when you just open the gates and move on, it doesn't happen, as you are no longer trying to win a hopeless game. You save time, effort and mental health, skip all the humiliation, and sometimes piss off the toxic bully squad that hoped for your attention. And what is more important, being ready to drop a hopeless game makes queueing as the killer no longer unnerving as it used to be, it makes it close to playing survivor: "worst case I just die, no big deal", but instead "worst case I just open the gates, no big deal". It's the ultimate cure against the killer anxiety, without which I would've probably just uninstalled for a few months again, but I continue playing for a long period without burning out.

We already have an abandon system that allows for free DC's at specific outcomes and that's fine. We really shouldn't be advocating for no DC penalties because practically, it's going to lead to a lot of matches just being half bots or worse and nobody wants that. Secondly, other people do play the game and we have to respect each other's time because it's only fair. Your average dbd match goes 10-15 minutes. This isn't like Dota where you need commit 40+ minutes to a match, if you can't tough out a single dbd match because you aren't having fun then I hate to say it but you should probably take a break from the game for a while.

This is exactly it and it's why more comeback mechanics are needed. You can often tell a match is lost a minute in. It's not exactly great for morale, especially when it happens over and over and over, and there's zero hope of recovery.

What I don't understand is that the same people who wanted the anti-cheese canceled are the ones complaining about DCs. People should stick around and suffer but they shouldn't have any chance at winning.

the biggest catalyst right now would be that they promised to shake up the game and fix the tunneling and slugging issue.
which got reverted due to killers mains whining that they cant get easy games anymore….even though those low tier killers would've been more compensated overtime with more changes…

on top of the survivor soloq nerfs, perk nerfs, 90% perks released last year being useless or not fun to use overall (just look at fog-vials)

then killers like kaneki who are left unchanged and "bugged" for months on end.

soloq still being miserable with close to no improvements,

this is what you get. its like i keep hurting on you on purpose and promise to give you money for enduring the pain and then i keep hurting you, over and over. you would be tilted too.

If by "now" you mean the past 4 years then yes indeed.

The funny thing for me is that people have forgotten that the current MMR was implemented because the rank based matchmaking had the exact same problem.

Especially after ranks became a metric for "time invested" rather than constant display of skill and the vast majority of regular players ended up in red rank. This lead to the infamous "rainbow rank" matches because the lower ranks didn't have a huge player population.

Everything got matched with everything back then. Then they implemented a stricter version of the current system but got more and more softened coupled with backfill to cut queue times. Right back to invisible rainbow matches.

It's been proven time and time again whenever the DC penalty was disabled Dcing rose 300% they have to stay

Survivors have been convinced that giving up of any inconvenience is virtuous and will eventually get the Devs to pander to their demands.

Go back before dedicated servers when the killer hosted the match. When a killer felt like they were being clowned on or thing weren't going their way, they would DC or pull the plug. For those not around back then, this wasn't viewed in a good light to survivors. Not to say it was a virtuous thing, that was bad sportsmanship then as is DCing or giving up today.

I've been finding people have been behaving themselves lately. throwing games and ratting you out, sure, that's still classic. but mentals seem to be on the up and up.

part of it may be because I'm facing a new generation of survivor. I can tell I'm facing people around the 1k hour milestone, so they aren't as stressed out as people with chips on their shoulders.