Oni is too strong and too common in 2v8.

First its legion, now its Oni who is next?

"They also gave Oni a RIDICULOUS turn rate so now he is pretty much an easy stomp if he gets a map he can free-run in, which is most of them."

Its 20% :/

So all the pallets and windows on the map just don't exist I guess.

If free heals from vials, free anti-slug and fast heals from medics are still not enough to deal with him at what point are you finally just going to go "Maybe I or a teammate just messed".

Its comments like these is why we can't have good things. As soon Legion got removed, everyone else with a slightly bad survivor experience in 2v8 started looking for which other killers they should aim their sights at on who else should be taken out. Its not enough survivors are getting the strongest buffs and classes they ever saw in any game mode or modifier, the other side needs to be completely multilated for them to enjoy their part.

true but he also gets out of his power if he hooks so the other person is forced to get the pickups you guys have free unbrakeable too so maybe just player better? onis in my games end up the game as any other killer they can only get 1-2 kills and everyone else leaves. You have so many tools to use its very easy to escape a chase with oni or get the hookstate overturned. also his so bad without power to if u just SB which you get for free you can force him to loop with only m1 if your actually good you should get alot of gens flying.

"The problem is the insta down. The free heals don't mean a huge amount against oni because he ends chases just as quickly when he's raging whether surv is injured or not. Even getting healed quick leaves a lot of blood orbs lying around."

I would say its the average 2v8 players bad sense of macro that makes Oni so strong the amount of times I have played 2v8 and have only seen a few people trying to manage themselves, healing should be done in a corner so that it takes a long time for the Oni to get there, too many people just heal nearby high traffic areas like gens and then act surprised when Oni does not have to go far for his power this is even more important by late game as of there are few gens left go heal in the area where most are already done to make him have to travel for it.

20% is not even the important part I just said that to poke fun at OP's "REDICULOUS" turn rate its the movement speed buff that gives him the extra lunge and even then with how pallet dense 2v8 is its not like you don't have a way to hold him off. Also regression is just equalised in 2v8 its 1 to 1 with how fast a single surv can repair it this can be countered by guide with a blast mine to make up the time lost difference and give a massive head start.

Overall I don't think Oni is the free win machine some say its just in 2v8 people only think about micro play and forget the macro giving the killer free pressure.

I believe Legion was another thing, since its one of the most hated killers in the game (i don't have an issue with Legion).
If BHVR remove Oni, they better just let killers do gen with survivors then. At least this wouldn't upset the population that complains from everything a killer can do.

2v8 is already so easy for survivors. If survivors do gens killers in most cases lose. You got legion out of the game already, now you want Oni?

I can't even play 2v8 due to it being so boring for survivors now. To me it feels like killer bullying simulator.

This is getting silly.

Also, with the Scout class people can just drop pallets no stop until Oni loses it power.

People loses against Trapper + Wraith combo, so its expected that they will be mad in going against any killer which is not a punching bag.

Problem is that Oni is only a punching bag till he gets power and in this mode he doesnt need to make a single hit by his own and could archive it. While even more blood orbs spawn cause more survivors on the map.

Maybe they should make it like this. That the blood bar of Oni only fill up a third if he hits a survivor with a M1 by himself

Last 30 matches by stat tracker in 2v8:

Most seen killers:
Spirit: 6
Mastermind: 6
Trapper: 6
Nemesis: 4
Blight: 4
Huntress: 3
Good Guy: 3
Oni: 3
Wraith: 3
Hillbilly: 2
Nurse: 2
Ghost Face: 2
Dark Lord: 2
Executioner: 2

That makes Oni being the killer 6,25% of the time. This counts all matches even killer ones of other players characters I am not included if I was playing killer and I was never Oni anyway. Still funny thing also of those matches in all of them most survivors escaped so at least my experience Oni is not a real problem in the mode he was annoying to face when paired with Legion but after they removed him from the mode Oni seems to be about the same as most.

Oni is not even the best combo for Legion given Legion already does a good job in keeping everyone injured, so the one hit down doesn't come into play as often. Legion's strength is that his duo, when patrolling the map, could find an injured survivor from Legion's frenzy and easily take them down while Legion himself kept the rest of survivors busy mending, that's what people disliked about him. Blight, Spirit, Nurse or even Wraith can be very deadly alongside Legion just as much as Oni.
Oni just so happen to have a power, that, regardless if you're injured or not, you'll be going down on hit anyway and as long your duo can land proper hits on survivor, he will be fed with blood.

But Escapist with on-demand Sprint Burst, Medic healing mid chase, or just removing hook states for finding the glowy thingy around the map is fine btw. While also nerfing ALL killer classes to more inferior states than before.

TBH, DBD is balanced around survivors - and killer in some measure, but mostly survivors - being very bad at the game and still having a chance to win. They don't do gens, they get instachased by any killer (almost), they try risk saves and go down in seconds and many things like this.

I was playing SoloQ to farm points and my matches were atrocious, like we were losing to a Huntress who barely hit any hatchet; to a Blight who didn't knew how to bump properly, etc etc. In 2v8 is the same thing: people go down to a Ghostface in an ocean of pallets and windows. I've seen people using the Escapist sprint burst to try to spin the killer and go down seconds after.

Anyway, is comprehensible people complaining about Oni (a killer with instadown and speed) but i think we might be setting the bar too low to the point that any killer that is not a 4.4 or a M1 killer will be called out as broken or annoying.

I agree with Nurse and Blight, but disagree with the rest; because of the way 2v8 maps are, with the resources they have, and especially with Scouts being able to rebuild pallets, a lot of killers will struggle to get that second hit. Even Billy struggles because of the pallet volume and difficulty curving around some of the 2v8 loops. Wraith was useless because all he has is the super lunge, which is great if the survior is out of position, but again 2v8 map design means they're basically never out of position.

Oni is unique in that his major limitation is he's forced to play as a 115 powerless killer until he gets his first hit. In 2v8, when he can be paired with Blight, with Nurse, with Huntress, with Dracula, with Pyramid (though he's awful in this mode, RIP), that major limitation just doesn't exist because now he doesn't have to get the first hit. And once he snowballs, he just never stops, and this may be a bold claim but Oni in power is one of the strongest killers in the game because of his mobility and turn potential - the insta-down barely even factors into it, to be honest. Because his biggest weakness is removed, he becomes an incredibly good killer, and again in my opinion Legion was the one who received all the blame.

I genuinely do not think Legion would be a problem in 2v8 if readded, especially if they choiced them with Oni to stop the complaints about the combo being too strong. Also, I'd like to see Oni excluded from just one rotation to see if he really is the problem - not permanently, mind you - as well as more added in the rotation he's excluded from to keep it feeling fresh

Re: your last sentence, I've never claimed otherwise lol.

Everything I state about Legion I don't think it was a problem to begin with. Survivors have medic classes which can quickly reset the team while Escapists can trick Legion into places where he can't do his feral frenzy hits, yet because he was annoying for the vast majority, he got removed.

And I don't think Oni being strong is a problem because its counterbalanced by the fact that Escapist, Medic and Scout are just as strong, with Escapist being used specially very often.