This game is flawed

Both of those are generally considered "reasonable reasons to leave someone on the ground for a short period" while you go chase the other person.

It's like the old 'here's all the reasons tunneling should be addressed when a killer goes from it for the very beginning'.

That usually gets immediate response of 'but what if the survivors run in front of me' which doesn't address the issue at all.

People love their red herrings.

Something existing and something being part of a design aren't the same thing. If anything, the game has adjusted to tunneling because it has to, because tunneling is skewing the numbers and likely keeping low tier killers in the dumps to maintain the 60%

I think its kind of like infinites. At one point they weren't a huge issue ('infinites take skill'), then more and more players took advantage of an easily abusable mechanic, and eventually, probably long after they should have, BHVR addressed it.

Yeah, I agree. Infinites were in the game but not neccessarily intended. And they were addressed, at least. How much does tunneling need to be abused to get that same treatment? How many years does it take?

It's not that I don't understand why they're bothered, it's that I don't understand why they take their anger out on strangers that didn't do the thing they're mad about. I'm suppsed to be empathetic when you randomly lash out at people? If you're 14, sure, I can understad that hormonal instabliby, but I don't think anyone complaining about tbagging in this forum is 14. The team that tbagged you last round isn't the one you're playing against next round. Also, it's not a double standard if the things are, again, not equivalent. The killer gets tbagged at that gates when they got to play a whole round. The tunneled survivor (and probably their team) have the whole match ruined.

We have these things in society called "morals". They exist independently of laws and, though personal, are generally relatable across a culture or cultures. It's why you see common threads in complaints about this game.

I suppose you don't understand it because you self isolate and haven't had to hear the burnout and frustration in the voices of a lot of cool and wholesome people. I've had a lot of friends walk away because of tunneling. I've yet to have any walk away because of tbagging though.

I fixed my comment it should be right now. Sorry for the confusion

They do, might take them years though. I remember back in the day grabs walking stick I along with so many others were asking about a health chapter, and we sort of got that?

Same for:

• Colour blindness settings
• Optimizing the bloodweb
• Changing the BP cap from 1mil to 5

And so on. So they do... but maybe the next generation will be here to witness what we're asking for today 😂 /lhj

You can't proudly proclaim you have no empathy then lecture people on empathy. Saying it's the majority isn't fair. That's an assumption. And even the ones that do might not take it as seriously as you. Not everyone loses their cool over a game.

It's not just a matter of morals. Even taking tunneling as a strategy, you're crutching on one thing instead of learning all the other things and keeping sharp with them. It's why tunnelng also fails, because hyperfocusing on one person while gens fly around you is braindead.

But you are again admitting it's not even about strategy for many, it's about petty tilt. So there's a divide between "I tunnel because I have too" and "I tunnel because I hate everyone" which makes it a form of punishment disguised as strategy.

I'd say that if someone starts out hard-tunneling at 5 gens left, they clearly have a choice.
I would understand it more if it were at say, 2 gens left, when the pressure is higher from the survivor side. But the amount of games where I've seen the killer straight up hard-tunneling someone out at 5 gens left is just too many to make me believe that it is "necessary". It's like they are doing it out of spite, because they got rolled in the previous match.

On reddit you can easily get alot more upvotes by just spewing killer us vs them than survivor.

I know because i have seen alot of profiles get tausend of upvotes just doing that.

But whenever i do it, it rarely goes to 500. If at all, its honestly luck reliant, but i can spew killer us vs them and get consistent results. Especially on offical subs or killer main subs.

I only got to 1.1k once because of 2v8 being so abysmally boring for survivor and how they didnt get a single new class, yet add new killers almost every iteration.

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A reason why people dont really bother to rebute us vs them claims, is because, from experince it does nothing, just wastes energy, time and sanity.

For example, i would say you dont need to tunnel because you can play strong meta builds and win without doing so, or because most of the time you encounter soloq players with no coms, which you can easily pub-stomp.

Will my or your opinion change if we discuss?, most likely not, just like politics, you most likely wont change someones opinion if they already like a side very much.

You would think killers are oppressed and need to tunnel because they dont need to, regardless what we say, do or even show as evidence, like statistics.

Tunneling isn’t an effective strategy 99% of the time, and that 1% happens due to a survivor's mistake, not a deliberate killer choice. Strong survivors will just hammer out gens while you tunnel one person for a single kill. Do it enough times and you eventually get matched with those same high‑skill survivors, and then it’s back to the forums to complain that the game is unbalanced. The cycle never ends.

If tunneling looks like a good strategy to you, it’s only because you’re not actually facing strong survivors. You’re also not tracking the match well enough to know where people are, which gens have progress, or how to interrupt their setup. Without that gamesense, tunneling feels like the “best” option, but it’s really just masking the real problem.

I dont know why repeating the same lie over and over would make it any more true?

When I play killer (i.e. when the incentive is on killer)(which never happens FOR SOME MYSTERIOUS REASON) I don't tunnel. I go out of my way not to tunnel, and I always let the final survivor escape.

Does that mean I'm low mmr? Almost certainly, but… why should I care? It's literally not shown anywhere in the game, and it's not like Rocket League where you get a reward for being high mmr.

Occasionally, I'll get a coordinated SWF that stomps me. They might even tbag, but good for them. Enjoy your matches, fellas. You got me. "2ez"? Sorry, I'm not trying any harder. Your next match will be against a comp Blight, so just hang in there.

You get the matches you deserve. If you tunnel, you'll eventually face teams that are good enough that you have to tunnel. And if you keep winning, you'll eventually face teams where you can't win EVEN IF you tunnel.

You always have a choice. You could just lose. "Why would anyone ever choose that?" Because some of us know that if you DON'T choose it, it will eventually be forced upon you.

So if you're unhappy because you don't like tunneling, but you also don't like losing, then I have bad news about the latter. (It's going to happen no matter what you do.)

If you're happy tunneling, then keep tunneling. You do you. Just don't come onto the forums complaining as if you didn't have a choice.

Well, yes, survivors have ways of playing well too, that should largely be expected from a PvP game.

It's quite unlikely for the first chase to take as long as it would need for survivors to spread out to separate gens and finish them, so I don't think I agree with the idea that three gens popping in your first chase should be considered an inevitability. That sounds far more to me like the killer's not playing well, either by wasting too much time before starting the first chase or taking way too long to finish the first chase.

As for the idea of having to choose between pressuring a survivor or patrolling gens… that's not really a choice? You pressure the survivor, patrolling gens is just begging for a loss. You should be avoiding that at all costs.

Ultimately though none of this really changes the main point, which is that once you do get a hook, the game slows down. That's an extremely important aspect of killer gameplay that often gets overlooked in these conversations.

Tunneling is not required to win.

It is the easiest and most optimal way, sure, but also the most braindead.