Gen Rushing isn't a real thing! Neither is tunneling I guess.

Uff though game tho….

Yeah from time to time some unholy times can be reached in gen efficenty.

But thank god it is not that common, most of my matches pendle around 5 to 7 minutes (wins or loses)

A huge problem is to balance Genspeed overall without dictating a meta.

This is a example out of my head and nothing official

Lets say that BHVR wants a normal game of DBD to be around 7 Minutes.

Now you got the normal playerbase, some are good (needs less than 7 mins), some are mid (needs around 7 mins), some are bad (need more than 7 mins). This would balance out at some kind but… you still got the following.

• griefing players
• players playing for everything but the objective
• quest and archivment hunters
• people prefer the hiding factor
• and so one you know this kind of players

These players can be everything from good to bad players but they drag the game length and the time to finish a generator down. Killrates rise and less gens get done. Now BHVR gets envolved and trys to fix things for the masses of people. But this affects the bad players as hard as the good players, because the players which normaly reach times less than 7 minutes get even more tools to rush gens.

And so you get to a point where the gen speed feels incredible to compete against.

I to get games like this quite often, and the honest truth is that you’re probably just a solid killer.

The issue is that players who experience coordinated, high-efficiency survivor play regularly don’t really have a strong voice in the broader discussion. A large portion of the survivor playerbase consists of solo queue players, and many of them don’t consistently practice strong generator efficiency due to their MMR bracket and the nature of solo queue.

Because of that, their perspective on what survivors are capable of is shaped by the games they personally experience. If most of your matches involve inefficient gens, weak coordination, and inconsistent looping, your balance opinions are naturally going to reflect that environment.

So when you post games like this, the usual responses are predictable:

1. “That’s rare.”
2. “You just played badly.”
3. “You ran the wrong perks.”

But anyone who has faced strong, coordinated SWFs knows the reality: there are only a handful of killers who can realistically have a chance to keep up against a well organized, high efficiency team.

• Yes guys, what OP says is true, but seriously, how many times can this happen in the life of a killer player? It requires an organized SWF, with communication, and EVERYONE on the team must have a gen-rush build. (There are some speed record attempts on YouTube.) But in comparison, how much more effective and frequent (and easier because it doesn't require any organization) is tunneling on 4-5 gen? We can safely say that the ratio is easily 100 to 1.🤣

Edit: It's like when you stack We'll make it + boon "circle of healing" + Orela perk with 2 stacks + 4 stacks of Desperate Measures... a full heal takes about 4 seconds.... but objectively, apart from funny videos on Youtube, how many times can this happen in the "real life" of a DBD player?🤣

If I bring 0 slowdown perks, then games that will end around 4-5 minutes will be way more likely. So that's why at least 1 slowdown perk is kinda mandatory unless you play Blight/Nurse. If you don't do that, you are not trying to win…

Exactly same for survivors. Complain about tunneling, but don't do anything against it. They don't even play around it and unhook while killer is still nearby.

Commonality does not make a thing ok or not ok.

Did they have a lot of gen perks/toolboxes or was it mostly pure gen efficiency?

gen rush and pre run have to be my least favourite play styles. I get why people do it, its like in Red Dead Online you can't ever trust another person you always have your hand on your holster.

there's no way to discern intent so survivors feel the need to go nuclear or be hyperefficient. sure, I go into matches aiming for the 3k but I'll take any result if I get enough action, even a 0k. I was sad when we nerfed WGLF at 150% be ause that means people just went back to playing Lara Croft. I miss people running up to my face looking to try something cheeky.

It's really not as uncommon as you make it out to be. I encounter one to two hyper coordinated SWF's a night, and I only play around ten matches a night. That would put it at 10% or so in whatever MMR I live in. Whether it be healing efficiency teams, boon stacking teams, gen rush teams, or full-on bullysquads. The most common by far is gen rushers however.

That being said - does it matter?

Thought experiment. There's a restauraunt in town trying a new process. A red card is placed on your table during dinner with a friend. Now if at any time one of you picks up that red card the other party is forced to pay for the entire meal.

Is your first thought 'I just won't go without people I trust'? That's pre-made matches.

Is your first thought 'I want some regulation enforced on this to make it more fair'? That's the competive scene.

Is your first thought 'I'll just pull the card everytime because he will if I won't'? That's killers tunnelling to avoid being pinned by hyper build SWF's, or alternatively, that's people running hyper SWF's to avoid being tunneled.

Is your first thought 'I'll just suffer through it and miss out sometimes'? That's the soloQ'ers being told to just cope.

Is your first thought 'I'll eat elsewhere'? That's a different game.

Is your first thought 'Why can't we get rid of this red card'? That's the point I would express.

The problem isn't how people behave under these circumstances and how you can carve out a niche in which to enjoy the restauraunt. The problem is itself the circumstances. Granted it's not as easy for the dev's to simply stop the red card, it's much more complex an issue, but that doesn't change the end-goal here. The end goal should be removing the red card, not finding a philosophy that makes stomaching the gamble more tolerable.

The red card existing at all is the focal issue, unless the restauraunt is married to keeping the red card intentionally, which I do not believe is in the spirit of BHVR's leanings and I offer them somewhat more credit than that. It's just a difficult task to take on, particularly when each niche change or adjustment is answered with all the fury and bluster of a fire god by one side or the other.

Can we just agree that The Red Card Existing is in itself, not a desirable outcome? One that we can work our way away from?