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"This Game Genuinely Makes Me Feel Miserable"
I see a lot of content creators creating videos specifically about burnout as a Killer for one reason or another
Some of the issues raised in various videos:
- maps
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pallets
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MMR
What are your thoughts on this?
Here are a few examples of such videos:
Comments
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How about you give some context? If you want people to participate, do the minimum amount of work which is to summarize what the random videos you are posting are about. Because unlike others, you probably watched them and should not expect others to spend their time watching it to have a discussion going in a Thread YOU created.
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Agreed 👍 this post isn't a discussion... it is a ragebait post.
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I'm not watching some CCs complain. Do you have your own views on the matter? Are you miserable? Or are we just parroting what people who make money off this game have to say?
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I think it is like most things.
If you have to play the game as your job it can get annoying and frustrating. Especially as most of the CCs play on very high MMR.
I still like the game but if i don´t feel like i want to play, i can just not play.
And when i finish the Rifts ( i am at 87 and 89) i often take a break. Also i often only play for challenges and not to win. It is a lot more relaxed that way.
Most CCs can´t.
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I'm curious how people are feeling, because I've noticed this trend of burnout on killers for a long time, and now I see that it's just beginning to accumulate more and more and become public among content creators
My personal opinion is that you've already seen it, I believe MMR is the cause of all this. People have already stopped ignoring it because they're completely fed up with it
In addition to this, I would also prescribe a boost to certain maps that can intensify this feeling0 -
It's a kind of "killer anxiety," and what triggers it for each person?
People give their own reasons in different videos, but some of them overlap. For example, three or more overlapping ones are MMR, pallets, and maps…
I'm curious how you feel when playing as a killer. Do you recently get burnt out from playing this role for so long that you only want to play as survivors or not at all?-2 -
And I just don't think people with a zillion hours and who have a financial stake in the game should be an example of anything. Of course you're gonna burnout when you play everyday and have an audience.
I don't see how this is a killer-specific issue either. Killer mains are just more vocal. I've had a lot of friends, just regular people, burnout on survivor. They just don't make a big deal about it; they quietly walk away. I myself am getting pretty frustrated with the role. The tunnelling and slugging are endless. The matchmaking is bad. I have to land a competent 3man just to have a chance. The BMing from killers has been off the charts on my server recently. I play two survivor matches and go back to killer. I really had to struggle to get my survivor Grade to iri I for this last season, and I'm about to have to do it again and I'm not sure I want to.
Meanwhile I'm currently fine with killer. I get worked up more, for sure, but I generally hover around a 70% KR while playing fair with no antigen and giving hatch when I think it's warranted. It's the role where you get to control the vibe of the match and I don't feel like I'm at anyone's mercy.
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Why do you think this just applies to Killer players? I'm a Survivor main and I'm more or less totally burned out on the role by this point. Killer mains are burned out because that's the side they're most invested in and the side they've played the most. It's less a comment on the current state of the game and more a reflection of their own personal headspace right now.
I didn't watch all the videos, but I did watch the CovoCava video because it does reference a recent video from Otz that I have watched. And I do actually agree with Otz, the game is in a much, much better state than it was (I first started playing about 3 years ago). Regardless of how I might personally feel about DBD, it's objectively true that big improvements have been made in the last few years.
In their video, CovoCava conveniently ignores the "BS" that Survivor players typically have to face, so here's a big ol' list of things in the game that I no longer have the patience for anymore:
- Being forced to play out games that have been lost in the first 4 minutes because the Killer went for an easy tunnel out.
- Killers slugging the entire team.
- Slugging for the 4K to deny hatch.
- Every new Killer having 2 or more powers, as well as being way too strong for the average SoloQ team to handle.
- Survivor perks being hobbled on release or nerfed because SWFs / more experienced Survivors can get too much value out of them.
- The only new Survivor item for years nerfed into uselessness a week after it was released.
- None of the changes from the 2 PTBs meant to address Survivor pain points being added to live servers (so no carrot, yet we still got the stick part of the equation with harsher DC penalties and go next prevention).
See, I can do it too. But I know these things don't bother everyone.
When I first started playing, I struggled through some of the worst Survivor games imaginable. I would put up with anything because I was still learning, the game felt fresh and fun to me and playing Survivor felt scary and thrilling. But that was a long time ago and I've run out of patience to deal with the stuff I personally find annoying. Nowadays I jump on a couple hours a week to play some casual Killer games and I only play Survivor during events. It helps that I'm less invested in my Killer games and I feel like I have more agency (so I get less irritated). I can still find some enjoyment from playing Killer but Survivor… Not so much.
Tl;DR - Some of us have played way too much DBD and we don't realise when we need to take a break sometimes. It's just player burnout. It's really as simple as that, imo.
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Burnout on killer? lmao no. I'm having a blast.
Survivor? You bet. Between the constant quad slowdown Blights and Ghouls, hard tunnel fests, hopeless 3v1s, solo queue QOL and teammates, as well as general killer toxicity, coming back to normal mode after 2v8 feels like I came back from vacation and now I have to go back to work.
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Killer burnout? Yeah. It's not fun being forced to stack slowdown just to get a game that lasts more than 5 minutes against survivors with a brain. So many killers are outdated and can't keep up with the base kit buffs survivors got over the years. And running a higher tier constantly isn't the most fun for me either. As well as the general survivor just not being good at the game but because perks play a MAJOR part in the game you can be bad but still get decent results in terms of time wasted. Just a shame no matter how much time you waste you can see your teammates… just not be on gens and cleansing totems/opening chests multiples times when its not a good time to do so.
You can tell its getting bad when queue times start climbing for survivor even on a friday night at least in my region.-1 -
I burn out on whatever role I play the most. It's like a see-saw. I imagine fulltime content creator's experience harder burn out than anyone because they have to keep playing even if they don't want to. They have bills to pay.
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Your three Overlaps you mentioned also do apply to Survivor. Not only to Killer. MMR, Pallets and Maps are also frustrating points there. E.g. you can assume that the number of Survivor players who are happy to play on Dead Sands or Fallen Refugee goes towards 0.
I also always find the term "Killer Anxiety" pretty stupid. Because what the people who popularize this term want is basically a Killing Simulator, because the people who claim that Killer Anxiety exists also ignore that since the beginning way more Buffs happened to Killer and way more Nerfs happened to Survivor (which is fine, because Survivors were busted for the first years). But since several years now you cannot really say that the game is survivor-sided.
Personally, I dont really have strong feelings when playing Killer. In fact, I think it is more relaxing than playing Survivor. I have almost 11k hours, so I am way over the point where I get annoyed by losing in a videogame, especially because I know that the game sometimes decides to give you the finger and if it starts doing that, it will continue to try to piss you off. And if I start to get annoyed by the game by any means, I just quit for the day, because my mood is more important than the game.
But as I said, Killer is more relaxing for me, because as Killer I only have to rely on one person, which is me. And if I lose, it means that the others were simply better. But I dont have that as Survivor, obviously I can also lose, because the Killer is better. But sometimes I lose because other Survivors dont do Gens. And I get annoyed if other Survivors are following me to help me, ideally even throwing Pallets I could have used longer or just being irritating because you dont want to sandbag each other. And likewise, if I make a dumb mistake, the whole team might die because of it. This does not happen as Killer, if I make a mistake as Killer (which indeed happens, I am still overcommitting into Chases sometimes, which makes me lose the game), I am the only person who has the damage because of it and I am fine with that.
The only time I really got burned out by playing Killer was when Krasue released. But this was mainly because I really dont like her at all, since she is so insanely boring to play. I still have not brought her to P9 or did her Achievements (something I do with every new Killer), because I cannot stomach that. That Krasue was the Killer added before BHVR decided to push back content did not help either.
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I started watching the first video and saw the easiest M1 being missed. Here we have our CC in a nutshell.
Back to the topic. I am having great time as a killer and don't get mad or sad.
It's easy most of the time or I find room for improvement.T-bags don't change my mood, I just don't care about them. This seems to be a common problem for other people.
On the other hand… I am getting frustrated on the survivior side. Especially when I do some solo queue.
Survivior role has become much harder, because:
- New killers are really strong. Especially against solo queue.
- A lot of killers have strong anti-looping abilities or have great mobility.
We had a lot of killer buffs over last few months, barely any nerfs. - Every survivior has to be efficient the game is lost.
- Tunneling is really strong right now. Especially after devs scrapped all the anti-tunnel changes.
- People are giving up because the games aren't enjoyable.
- We face only few killers all the time. Kaneki, Blight, Nurse… I don't ever see dnd vecna, oni, dracula.
- Survivior pain points, frustrations are not being changed for months.
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