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Plague Advice.
I would love some help. I don't do well with her at all but she is so fun and unique. Please help me. They just hold my power against me all match.
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I wish I had your problem! Seems to me, everyone has forgotten how to counter Plague and cleanse right away, which honestly DOES work out in my favor, but the thing is, when Plague first came out and everyone knew to "not Cleanse" I came up with a build I called "The Rock and Hard Place" build, and I haven't been able to get use out of it at all against all the current teams I face who keep cleansing!
R&HP Build:
Add-ons: your choice
Dying Light, Thanatophobia, Surge Pop Goes the Weasel
Alt's to Pop or Jolt: Jagged compass + Gift of Pain (only if you're coming across survivors that are cleansing more often)
How build works:
Infect everyone asap, get at least 4 tokens of DL ideally around the time there are 3 gens left, At which point if they haven't cleansed, the amount of gen slowdown from thana + DL will be around 32% and gens progress will slow to a crawl. Each chunk of damage done by PgtW, and Surge will take much longer to recover for survivors, slowing gens down even more.
IMPORTANT NOTE: DO NOT leave the Obsession alone except in the early - mid game, as they are the only one unaffected by DL's slowdown, so hook them 2x, but do not kill them UNTIL you have killed at least 1 or 2 of the others first, If you haven't, then simply slug them to keep em off the gens.
The metaphorical "Rock & Hard Place" this build puts survivors in:
Either Stay sick and suffer progressively slower generator repair speeds, or Cleanse and give Plague her Corrupt purge, which is arguably the best ranged attack in the game.
If you find yourself regularly going up against teams that follow the "Big Survivor" propaganda/strategy of "Don't Cleanse against plague", stick with Jolt + Pop. If going up against teams that cleanse at the drop of a hat go with SH:JC + SH: GoP so that no matter if they are injured or healthy, they're always getting slowed down on gens. Add-ons are up to you, I generally go with ones that Enhance Corrupt Purge's lethality so I can better punish survivors with it if they give in and start cleansing, Or the Iri ones because, damn… they're REALLY good on Plague.
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What would you like help with specifically?
In general: try to infect as much as you can and if possible/practical hook a fully infected survivor. If everyone is fully infected and not cleansing, then grab your free pool from the start and knock out some hook states (or outright win the game if the survivors make mistakes).
TWiXT's build (we call the "eternal plague") above will usually ensure at least one survivor will cleanse or you have all the time in the world as an m1 to get the ball rolling with dying light. It WILL probably get some salt, but hey, at this point what won't?
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Another build for punishing survivors that refuse to cleanse (courtesy of a Youtuber/streamer named Magi, who specializes in Plague, here's a link to his channel: ):
LUNGE:
Coup De Grace, Surge, All-Shaking Thunder, Thwack!
Add-ons: your choice
How the Build works:
Tired of survivors choosing not to cleanse and forcing you to be an M1 killer? Make them Regret that decision! Coup De Grace and All-Shaking Thunder gives your M1 attacks extra reach and speed when lunging, and against fully infected survivors only 1 shot away from a down, they make a lethal difference that survivors don't expect. Who cares if they're plowing through gens when doing so makes you more lethal in M1 takedown power? Surge is there simply because any killer that relies on M1 takedowns utilizes it best, and Thwack! is an amazing source of tracking information for you that never gets old, or runs out of tokens, if you use it wisely.
Pairing this build with add-ons that increase infection effectiveness, or charge up speed is preferred, but the real meat of the build is in the fact that survivors don't expect you to get the drop on them at supposedly secure loops, so picking the Brown add-on Prayer Tablet Fragment which disables your ability to puke on the survivors to infect them, but doubles their infection rate and the time objects remain infected, is actually really good and useful with this build. Pick what's more comfortable for you of course, and no one can ever blame you for picking either of her Iri's.
Here's a link to Magi's video showcasing it, incase you want to see it in action:
As you will likely see in the video, Magi is also a great source of information with a keen understanding of how Plagues mechanics work, so pay close attention, and let him help you improve as a plague player. In all honesty, Plague has always been my go-to girl in this game, but even so, Magi's videos, tips, and tricks have been incredibly insightful to me, so I hope he can help you too.
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She can be tough to play if people dont cleanse. Getting better at good old M1 is always helpful, mindgaming at loops etc. You can run helpful perks in chase like brutal strength, bamboozle, spirit fury etc to help catch people out. Thana is always good on plague for passive slowdown that is basically always active.
My top tip is never underestimate the power of undetectable/oblivious. It is very strong if you have everyone perma injured. My personal favourite perk for this is trail of torment. Gives you undetectable almost on command so you can wait you have everybody coughing and spluttering, then blindside them on gens for insta downs. It also pairs well with genkick regression perks. It's a tactic I use a lot on killers like ghoul, legion, slinger anyone who can put injuries on survs easily but can struggle to land the down. Other handy perks include hysteria (since ppl are injured a lot), whatever hex plaything is called nowadays, aliem instinct, heck even insidious can work well if you've chased someone off a gen
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All of these tips are being NOTED. Thank you so much! I am going to experiment and try out different builds with her.
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PWYF is also very strong on her. If people dont cleanse, you can easily manage the stacks.
But in the end its about forcing a cleanse. Enough snowball with your one puke (or three with apples) can work, but good survivor will just split. The iri addon which gives you puke after a gen completion counters no cleansing completely, but its an iri.
The sad part is that the most effective way to force a cleanse is proxy-camping. They cant unhook without cleansing.
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As the other poster mentioned, there isn't much to do if survivors will deny you their power.
It's simply why Thanatophobia and Dying Light (what I see from Plague when I verse her) to slow down gens. I would also argue that Corrupt Intervention is great on her giving you time to set up by vomiting on the gens to ensure survivors get sick.
People have to remember that even when survivors are not cleansing, they are generally one tap the whole game.
It's a decision where survivors decide - cleanse and give Plague her power or stay injured for a vast majority of the game and being vulnerable.
This is where you take that mentality, say okay - you want to stay injured? Place Thanatophobia and Dying Light to make gens take much longer. Plague, similar to Trapper is a set-up killer. She is weak at first (in my opinion of playing with her when I was on my killer playing period of time a year or so ago). You sit there and think, "How do I make this set-up killer stronger over time?" / "How do I punish survivors for refusing to cleanse?" etc.
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Mabe run thanathophobia that may force some to cleanse but if they dont than they know what they are doing and will jump on gens because plague without red puke is just big tall (super tall easy to spot when looping) killer that has nothing but only makes survivors oneshot but its just super tall m1 killer. It may sound good but seasoned survivors wnt go down fast and they will jum on gens instead of healing so you have less slowdown if you cant get fast downs thats why I dont like her much becuase I generaly dont like killers on which survivors control your power and plague is perfect exsample of this.
Just run thana and maybe someone will panick when all are infected thats best that comes to my mind or use some addons, palygue has one of best addons and is very addon dependent because her power can be controlled easily but those apple addons that give more corrupted fontains at the start or that iri that gives you basicaly weaker (shorter in time by 20 seconds I think) red puke after survivors do a gen makes this killer actualy a-tier without stuf like this plague is mid/low b-tier at best (not to mention healing items arent that busted as they were).
If you like her my best advice is to get her to p100 like Otz did for only reason, so you can in this generous economy get addons you want (like her iri ones that are super good) or need for each level and this may help you to play with her power more and get better.
Just like oni I love his character and desing but hate how much his power is limited but since its bit easier in top of his techs options I play him more but thats why I love killers that have power all the time more like billy,wesker,huntress so you can train and experiment with their power than just wait more for best situation and fear you will misstime it and screw up your hard gained power.
Best perks are slowdown ones on her because of the time you loose on whole survivor team that they wont waste with healing but invest in gens and thanna may help you with corrupt (corrupt will buy you time so you can go and spread your infection on all team so thana takes its true effect in slowing a game and may give you some more survivors cleansing).
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Have fun with it and good luck 😁
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Thing is plague isnt best in chase she is pure m1 without red puke and she is one of tallest killers not to mention her lamp or flail or whatever its her weapon makes smoke that can be tracked behind her so good loopers when the loop isnt super tall where its all 50/50 guessing have clear sight on you and this makes her one of worst midngamers in the entire game because most of loops cant be mindgamed with plague because survivor has still los on her or parts of her character like the smoke thats behind her, dam even kanekis tenticles move with his character and not against him or ghosfaces flips arent moving with him bu he is small and can crouch to mindgame or many other most used cosmetics dont have them and these are best on him.
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I mean yh, i wasn't saying she was good in chase. And yh mindgaming mainly applies to loops with high walls that can hide her.
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This is why you move from being a chase killer to a killer that punishes efficiency.
The reason why Thanatophobia and Dying Light combos are hated on the survivor role is because it directly affects how long the trial goes on for.
Objectively speaking, a killer is stronger the longer a game goes on for. When I played killer, I would focus on the strengths of the character and magnify what their weaknesses are.
Plague is not a chase killer, at all. Plague is a set-up killer that takes time. It is why when Plague doesn't have any slowdown, she can genuinely be gen-rushed. The point is to indicate what the weak spots are (for every killer) and capitalize on what they are strong for. Plague is set up, so you use perks that allow you to set up.
Corrupt Intervention, Thanatophobia, Grim Embrace, Deadlock, Dying Light, - hell I'd even argue Ruin could work on Plague as people get off gens and the gens will naturally regress.
Same thing for why aura reading is great for mobility killers.
Same thing for why anti-chase and gen regression is good for killers that are not as good with chase to slow down the fact that you do not have the mobility to keep up.
I use Trapper the same way I would use Plague.
I would use Onryo (a killer I love going against due to her being my main when I was in my little killer arc) - she's mobility to me, so I would use aura reading to snowball + gen regression. The point is to look at the killer, notice what they're strong at, place a build that utilizes their strengths - not focus on their weaknesses. Sure, PWYF can make you catch a survivor quicker but it does nothing for the macro of the entire game as a whole. You can catch survivors, but they are not penalized for staying injured and doing gens unless you added gen regression into the build, in my opinion.
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I know, problem is there is very few loops where they cant see you so you can mindgame it, only those midsafe ones where you can go back and fort and force them to miss vault to get hit come to my mind but even loops like shack have lot of los and corners to checkspot.
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You can use apples, or iri addon to gain your power even if survivors don't want to cleanse.
Also you have two options regarding builds to make her more fun. Either use Thana, or something like that, which makes it less optimal for everyone stay injured, or some chase perks, so you don't really care if you are without power (PWYF, or Coup are good options)If you want to tryhard a bit, then proxy camp often forces at least one survivor to cleanse, because they just can't go for unhook injured.
Also double hook a survivor even if you don't want to tunnel them out of the game works well, because most survivors have rule to start cleansing on deadhook.0 -
I hate relying on addons, but these days I crutch on her iri seal and prayer tablet; let em all get injured, and let em pay for it. I take tinkerer and mindbreaker to come say hi.
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Yeah, or the Black Incense and the Iri Seal, along with Thana/Mindbreaker. Tinkerer is also a good idea.
Or you could run Deadlock and Secret project, so you get the stealth everytime a gen is blocked
If they want to try to deny your power, you can make it hurt.
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