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Bioshock chapter would be cool

HoodedWildKard
HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

Of all the horror franchises I can think of, bioshock has a lot of potential. There are so many potential killers you could take from the series that would be interesting concepts.

Big daddy would be the obvious choice and particularly good fun, big hulking bruiser type killer with a dash attack. The potential for unique mechanics would be good too. You could have AI controlled little sisters wandering the map harvesting bodies and they could be interacted with by the big daddy for bp drops and buffs, plus survivors could also gain these buffs by attacking the little sisters at the risk of being revealed to the big daddy who would gain some kind of rage buff against survivors hassling the little sisters, and perhaps recieve debuffs if survivors successfully mess with the little sisters.

But there are plenty of other killer options. Loads of splicer variants to play with, the spider splicer in particular would make for an excellent killer. Big sisters, rosies, alpha subjects, even certain named characters like sander cohen.

Survivor options would also be pretty varied. Atlas, fontaine, tenenbaum, the protagonist from the first game, andrew ryan, bill mcdonagh. Some of these characters would provide a few more morally grey/evil survivors that the game is a little short on.

and that's before you even consider bioshock infinite.

Comments

  • IlliterateGenocide
    IlliterateGenocide Member Posts: 6,183

    one of my biggest wishes and then a big sister legendary skin for maybe spirit since they are so fast. or for skull merchant since they basically look the same

  • Xray
    Xray Member Posts: 419

    Bioshock was on one of the surveys a few years ago so we can only pray BHVR locks in and gets the license.

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    That is a good shout with spirit. Their stances are so similar now you mention it.

  • E5150
    E5150 Member Posts: 84
    edited March 11

    One of my favorite franchises, imagine a Sinclair killer using plasmids? Or just ye old Bouncer, destroying pallets and walls left and right? Maybe even something from Columbia?

    Make it happen BHVR!

  • IlliterateGenocide
    IlliterateGenocide Member Posts: 6,183

    Maybe plasmas could be given to survivors like vecna items

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Interesting idea, i think stuff like electro shock and incinerate might be a little much but perhaps there could be gene tonics that provide boosts hidden around the map. Similar to how the tonics worked during 2v8. Maybe they could even have a chance of reacting badly with the survivor who uses them with a random chance to provide a debuff or make the survivor scream on use.

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Oh man I didn't even think before but the map for the chapter would be amazing, the dark, decrepit, leaking underwater city of rapture would be an amazing environment to play in. Fort frolic, arcadia, poseidon point, the heaphaestus forges. So many good environments to pick from.

  • IlliterateGenocide
    IlliterateGenocide Member Posts: 6,183

    legit no idea why ur getting downvoted, but a map for a chapter with such areas is a must. i would be okay with a infintie map but maybe they might do like silent hill. bioshock 1-2 map and killer and infinite survivor

  • BongoBoys
    BongoBoys Member Posts: 966

    Yes devs bring BioShock to dbd

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Lol yeah I'd noticed that, I'm assuming there's one particular person who actively dislikes bioshock but doesn't want to get involved in a conversation 🤣

    And yh it would be a fresh idea for a map. I'm less enthusiastic about bioshock infinite angle. Would still be cool but it was less horror centric and not really as popular or as good as the original bioshock set in rapture. That said booker dewitt and elizabeth would certainly make good survivors

  • Dionysusdog
    Dionysusdog Member Posts: 276

    I would love Bioshock. If BHVR decided to do another game chapter like Resident Evil then Bioshock would be my number 1 pick

  • JohnNemesisMan
    JohnNemesisMan Member Posts: 105

    If they make the killer a Big Daddy (which is the obvious choice), I don't think they would be able to make a Big Sister skin since the difference is size would be notable. We could get something like the Alpha Series or even maybe a smaller version of Songbird inspired on the older concept art for Infinite like the Mothman.

  • JustRight
    JustRight Member Posts: 47

    Agreed. Now that you mentioned it, I'm starting a new run on Bioshock Remastered

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Going for those big brass balls? 🤣

    Dang i should really do another replay

  • BongoBoys
    BongoBoys Member Posts: 966
    edited March 16

    Basically this it would have to be BioShock 2 big daddy maybe with Subject Delta as the Killer

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  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 16

    I'll only accept a BioShock chapter, if we also get a sequel chapter with Eleanor Lambs from BioShock 2's evil ending as a Killer.

    A Big Sister killer would work much better as her own character, especially with how agile they are and all the different Adam abilities they possess. Relegating her to be nothing more than just that of a legendary skin for characters that are only similar in shape and stance, feels like complete squandered potential imo.

  • ArkInk
    ArkInk Member Posts: 1,134

    I'd be so down with Bioshock! An underwater Rapture map could be a great blend of indoor and outdoor elements, and a Big Daddy justifies itself just by looking at it. I can already imagine the crazy animation of a mori putting survs on the other end of that drill.

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Oh imagine a chapter where the killer and survivor are the same person. Eleanor lamb from the good ending could be survivor, and evil ending could be killer. Parallel universe versions pitted against each other in the realm.

  • BongoBoys
    BongoBoys Member Posts: 966

    I'll only accept if we get Threequel where there's a BioShock Infinite chapter

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 17

    Imo, the only character from Infinite that would really work as a Killer is Atlas/Frank Fontaine, specifically when he is in his final boss form from BioShock 1. Every other character are either just too much of a regular enemy to feel like they fit as a Killer or cannot be adapted properly without requiring too many liberties to be taken, in order to work in DBD. (I'm looking at you Songbird.)

  • zonkednb
    zonkednb Member Posts: 204

    I think regular enemies do work as killers. A lot of people are happy with the idea of a Big Daddy killer, and they're just enemies for the most part.

    For Infinite, I do feel there are less 'iconic' options, as Songbird & the Handymen are too large. Lady Comstock is an idea but she already felt kinda out of touch with the feel of the base game, so adding her would be like adding Jason's mother instead of Jason Voorhees himself as killer. Most other regular enemies are too gun dependent. A modified mechanical patriot that can only use its gun as a cooldown ability is possible.

    One thing that does draw me to Infinite though is the idea of rifts. Survivors being able to interact with them, opening one to create new resources in a specific tile, but doing so closes the rift elsewhere meaning there's opportunity cost to doing this. It would also need a decent global cooldown and a small animation to keep it fair and stop survivors from endlessly fighting over who gets a safe pallet near their chosen gen. This would need to be compenstated for by having a fairly strong killer to go with it.

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 17

    I think regular enemies do work as killers. A lot of people are happy with the idea of a Big Daddy killer, and they're just enemies for the most part.

    The thing is, all of the Killers we have in DBD aren't grunt enemies. They're all central characters to their respective source materials, each to various degrees.

    Even a Big Daddy plays a more prominent role throughout the franchise compared to the rest of the cast of enemies encountered, hell you even play as one in the 2nd game. It's only surpassed by central characters important to the stories of the games.

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  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Idk the xeno and demo are definitely powerful "grunt" enemies that would be roughly on par power level with a big daddy. Neither of them are a specific character could be any random xenomorph or demogorgon pulled from another realm.

    Fontaine endboss is an interesting shout. Personally i prefer the big daddy, more spooky and iconic. But having a naked mutated adonis looking dude flinging plasmids about would be fun.

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 17

    Was actually replying to the guy above who i forgot to add the reply box in my previous message, but anyway.

    Xenomorph and Demo are still both central characters to their source materials. The former being the main antagonist of the first Alien movie, which is with confirmation where the Xeno in DBD is taken from. The latter is also the main antagonist of season 1 of Stranger Things, which while not directly confirmed, i assume is also where Demo in DBD based on.

    Even if they're grunts in terms of their overall franchise in of themselves, they're still central characters compared to other of their kinds in later movies & seasons.

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  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Fair enough. I mean it feels like a very specific distinction. Main questions are: will it be popular enough to sell, is it cool and can it work mechanically? Answer to all is probably yes

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 17

    There's still a difference between choosing the poster boy of a franchise as a killer and choosing any other regular enemies to be killers. One is obviously going to sell better than the rest due to brand recognition.

    Xenomorph is the face of the Alien franchise. Demogorgon is the most well known character of Stranger Things pretty much, and Big Daddy is the poster boy of BioShock.

    Hell, the reason Wesker got in after Nemesis, is because he's not only the most well known antagonists of Resident Evil, but also a central villain in it. The same would also apply to characters like Andrew Ryan and Frank Fontaine for BioShock specifically, as they're both central franchise villains in it, just like Wesker is for RE.

    So logic would suggest that, if there ever were to be more than one BioShock chapter, a Big Sister killer & Frank Fontaine in his final boss form would be the go to, due to both being the more well known characters like the Big Daddy is.

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    I'd argue frank fontaine, while a massively integral character storyline wise, doesn't really get much screen time. Aside from voice lines and recordings you see him very briefly a couple times in his atlas guise and once as the boss. While cool it isn't really iconic. Whereas the big daddy is a massive touchstone for bioshock. It's the face of the game and has a super unique look that's recognisable even by people who've never touched the series. Each to their own at the end of the day, but I'm sure if bioshock got multiple chapters the big daddy would be the go to first chapter killer, maybe an alpha series.

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 17

    I know? That's why i specifically said and i quote ''if there ever were to be more than one BioShock chapter, a Big Sister killer & Frank Fontaine in his final boss form would be the go to''

    Big Daddy would obviously be the go to choice for the first chapter, i was specifically talking about which character would be most likely for any sequel chapter, and those two would be a more likely choice to be picked than any of the regular enemies.

  • HoodedWildKard
    HoodedWildKard Member Posts: 2,270

    Ohh i misinterpreted it. I thought you meant only big sister and fontaine, didn't realise the big daddy was taken as read. My bad.

  • BongoBoys
    BongoBoys Member Posts: 966

    I know nobody could really fit as killer as I was thinking more of just a survivor chapter with Booker and Elizabeth

  • zonkednb
    zonkednb Member Posts: 204

    Sure. I think it really depends entirely on whether or not they represent the franchise. Full disclosure, were it up to me I'd go with the OG Big Daddy from the first Bioshock. Not unique or a named character, but about as representative of the franchise as it gets. Maybe a legendary skin that turns you into Subject Delta. I'd pick this over real big bads like Fontaine, for example.

    Still at a loss as for what an Infinite chapter could do, though. None of the villains really work as killers in that game imo.

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391

    I think Elizabeth would be the Survivor choice for the first BioShock chapter if we ever got one, since she's seemingly the most popular protagonist of the franchise.

  • Smoe
    Smoe Member Posts: 3,391
    edited March 18

    The best approach for a BioShock chapter would be giving it the Silent Hill treatment imo. The most popular aspect selected across the franchise for each part of the chapter.

    • Burial at Sea Elizabeth as the Survivor
    • Big Daddy as a Killer from BioShock 1 and or Burial at Sea who attacks Elizabeth in it.
    • Some location taken from BioShock 2 for a map.

    Plus OP had the right idea in making both the good and evil version of Eleanor into a Survivor and Killer respectively for a sequel chapter, since it not only gives us more BioShock content, but it also doesn't relegate the potential of a Big Sister killer to just being a skin for Spirit or Skull Merchant, and it will potentially give us a full BioShock theme'd 2v8 as well.

  • zonkednb
    zonkednb Member Posts: 204
    edited March 18

    Then I think we're on the same page. Although I'd prefer OG Elizabeth as the survivor, even if that Elizabeth doesn't interact with an original Big Daddy, purely because I'm not a fan of Burial at Sea at all. I've no objective reasoning for this, it's purely taste and I'm happy to admit that.