Ghoul vault changes
So I hadn't played ghoul in awhile and was playing them today and had to go read the patch notes. Why, to reiterate, why in gods name does the ghoul no longer indur survivors after a power vault. Survivors can literally just run through you and vault back over the pallet, though not windows it seems, before you can even attack. so you end up just wasting your own time at that point. Wesker injures survivors after his power vault, and legion doesn't because they dont have a cooldown after vaulting before they can hit. Which means the ghoul is just a worse legion. The power becomes useless if someone is in deepwound, you're just another m1 killer. This is insane. I cannot believe someone was dumb enough to greenlight that idea. I know theres a lot of salt because learning counterplay is hard and difficult, while complaining that its broken is a lot easier. Put the auto injure if they're close back, and if god forbid killers have anything nice at least let me be able to smack the survivor for trying.
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Yes it does, but at least I could actually play the game before they made this change
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Ghoul is not worse then legion.
He still has hyper mobility and a free injury state (legion hit is not free survivors have counterplay to it even if its harder to do)
Ghoul gets one part of his overtuned kit nerfed and we acting like the killer is worse the legion11 -
People like you are scholars and saints and this community need more of you truthspeakers. Wells done. Lay your head down tonight with full respect.
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As soon as they drop let me know.
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So, no.
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This change would actually be fine if they made so that survivors can't just walk through you during your vaulting animation and vault to the other side of the pallet. If they made it so that you can body block them from vaulting it would be fair. but for now i think its not fair.
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Ok, so if it was a nerf then the power would still work properly, the problem is that the power is is not working properly. If you want it so I don't auto hit you if you're too close and have a deathwish thats fine, I will manually smack you then. The problem is that it doesn't work, survivors can completely negate your power by running through you and just vaulting over, it isn't a nerf it is a a bug at that point.
Basically what they said, you want to nerf the ghoul? alright fine, but make sure it actually works properly.
(Secondly, it isn't a free hit especially since they keep changing the "stickyness" (personally Im not attached to if it has stickyness or not I'd just like them to decide on a value, even if its 0, and not change it every couple weeks) sometimes you will get hit because of bad circumstances but the same could be said for many killers, you can play around it. Play the ghoul or watch someone play them and you'll learn their weaknesses. though this doesn't really pertain to the main subject. )
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The only way It can be fixed is just remove the whole vaulting mechanic at this point his kit is already strong enough.
His power is like this because they tried to fix a bug that didn't need to be fixed a month after they said that bug was the counterplay people didn't understand.
you should really try Dissolution on ghoul if pallet vaulting is causing you to feel like hes worse then legion3 -
this quality of life feature was removed in the hopes of toning ghoul down a bit. it seems to have worked tbh. now with the vault injure and kidnap gone ghoul isn't anywhere near as egregious as they were.
tbh, I'd rather this have gotten nerfed then something actually important like kagune attach range
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I don't think his kit really needed vault in first place, so at least he is somewhat bearable to play against now.
You already have free injury and one of best mobility powers. Seems kinda too much to counter both hold W and safe loops.It's not like he is much worse imo. It works exactly same on windows, which you can't revault when every Ghoul uses Bamboozle/addon. So you just have to destroy some pallets, when survivors know to revault. I would say it's still worth a try to see, if survivor will revault or not.
Which means the ghoul is just a worse legion
lol, not even close. His mobility alone puts him above Legion even if you completely removed his vault.
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Interesting points, and removing the vault is an option. But if you keep it let it still work properly. My issue isn't the ghoul being nerfed my issue is bug abusing. (and I don't want excuses that it isn't a bug, survivors shouldn't be able to phase through the killer)
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