survivor bashing content

Engagement Bait. You will have Killer Mains clicking on those videos saying how horrible Survivors are and you will have Survivor Mains clicking on it to say that it is not true.

Better just not click on videos of those Content Creators to not give them money.

This is a new trend? I feel like this has been going on for the past 10 years since the game was released.

I don't enagage with CCs but even what little I see is mostly survivor hate. This community loves a certain flavor of division. There's even one guy who bashes this forum, especially those he thinks are survivor mains.

As @Aven_Fallen said, it's engagement bait primarily. But it's also the natural course the game has taken. Killer is the weakest role, despite all of the evidence screaming the opposite, and the real problem is bully Survivors. You get to be in control and take down all the meanies. It's a great ego trap.

100%. It's a mirror to their own reality. You see a lot of very strange and vitriolic hatred toward Survivor, beyond it being just a game. And now it dominates the DBD market. One would realistically only continue to expose themselves to that if they got something out of it. I'm thinking it's akin to a digital voodoo doll. And I'm going to be totally candid here—it's actually really nasty that BHVR encourages that and profits off of it. Maybe I'm completely wrong with their intentions, but that's my genuine belief.

I saw the first video the other day and it just spews bias in the first few minutes in the section labeled "rant" , I ended up leaving a comment on the video itself when I saw it when it came out because its actually disgusting for someone in creator program to egg on the killer community to be more volatile when IMO killers and survivors giving up is on par with each other people just have a whinge way more about survivors doing it.

He added a warning to comments not to harrass people because he knowns what the community is gonna want to do after watching his video.

these humble workers need to put food over their heads and put a roof on the table. just men hard at work.

I treat them like I would army recruiters...take them with a grain of salt.

Definitely. I don't actually think it is an over-exaggeration though. The hate gets very extreme and very bizarre, to the point where I've seen people threaten their own safety or the safety of others. There's tilt, but this feels a little more unwell. It's why I say that profiting off of that feels really gross.

This really belies the even greater issue. DBD is not well designed nor well balanced if you have to take a crash course in how to play by watching streamers with abrasive content just to hopefully stand a chance (realistically, it sounds more like they're ranting and saying what should happen rather than trying to educate but that's just my opinion). It's undeniable that the game is frustrating, unfair, and relies way too strongly on elements completely out of one's control while also going to great lengths to punish players for making any mistakes or having a bad time.

BHVR absolutely should try to address pain points if they notice that people keep underperforming and not having fun. I don't see how that's unreasonable as you seem to suggest.

DBD is also unlike most PVP games as well where despite being balanced toward competition, it hinges completely on luck. No matter how much experience you have, you will always be at the mercy of things like matchmaking, powers/perks, and unchecked catchup mechanics. People get burned out, rightfully so.

This has crossed my mind too. I would have expected higher standards when it comes to their Creator program. A number of regulars here have had the "pleasure" of involuntarily being featured in a number of videos from a particular Creator, and not in a nice manner. You're correct that if he opted to respond to us here instead of in YouTube videos, he'd have been banned because it's against forum rules. But apparently it's okay when they're representing the brand? Not a good look

Survivors on the other hand react to such topics in another way. Many Survivors think that BHVR should make playsstyles they don´t like unusable and get mad at BHVR if they don´t do it right after the suggestion came in. From time to time I try to reason with some players in this forum that "If slugging is in 10 of 10 games why won´t you take anti slug perks?" and always the answer tend to be something like "I don´t want to use a perk for BHVRs bad game desing".

These aren't comparable. Lightborn not only deletes an item's usability with just one slot taken, it even gives undeserved aura read. Yet you could bring a whole anti-slug build and still get slugged over and over, especially in soloq. Unbreakable is one-time use, Exponential can be snuffed, Conviction and WGLF require coordination to be really useful. Most of these just prolong things. All the killer needs is Infectious Fright and your anti-alug build just give them more info to keep slugging.

Killers decide how the match will feel far more than survivors. A genuine bully squad is rare, and a competent one even more so. They're usually just a nuisance anyway. Slugging and tunneling killers are constant and far less easy to deal with. I just played 4 survivor matches, 2 with killers going for full team slugs, 1 with someone trying to tunnel me. Then I logged off. DCing and being frustrated aren't survivor problems, they're game problems.

And about getting mad when changes don't come through right away—it's been 10 years. Slugging and tunneling are still being complained about. What's the acceptable waiting period? A quarter of a century?

Thank god we're finally having this discussion, because holy crap am I tired of this. It's no secret that most content creators are killer mains, and they all just constantly make videos saying how much they hate survivors with vitriol, all the while playing victim in the same breath. I wish we had more content creators that point out that killer mains are just as bad and entitled, and say it full heartedly. Because it's not just on youtube, but twitter is a nonstop machine of killer mains posting about how much they all hate survivors.

I'm just so tired of seeing killer mains build their community around hating survivors and get rewarded for it. I really don't think these types of creators should be in the Creators Program at all. Same goes for survivor mains that spread nonstop hatred for killer mains. You don't put people like that on a pedistool.

In DbD both sides are entilted and think they are the punching bag for the other side.

But I have to adress that Survivors aren´t happy no matter what you do. Pllease stay with me I will give some examples and I beg you to be honest with yourself.

Okay, let's go on the honesty.

Rate of disconnects are rocket high at the Survivor side

4 times as many survivors as there are killers is a prominent reason here, but lots of others as we go through the post.

and gets support by many DbD players (Why should you stay in a game if you don´t have fun?) Don´t like the Killer? DC! Don´t like the map? DC! You know what I mean as many players even in this forum suggested. "Don´t like Ghoul? Just DC and show BHVR that you don´t want to play.

I don't think this is remotely close to true anymore than it is for for killers.

Ofcourse there are Killers which DC over the smallest things themself. Bad Map, Bully Squads etc. but if you are beeing honest you will see that a Killer which dcs has most of the time a reason to do so (I don´t agree with these but you will understand) Hey another denied hit by autoaim, Hey another Larrys as Billy, Hey another flashlight save out of an impossible angle and so on.

I don't see the difference on how you justify the killer more than the survivor. By this logic a survivor who DCes because they get hit after vaulting a window or already being behind a wall and than hit by a hatchet is equally excusable. As for being upset about getting Larrys as Billy, the being upset about hitting the same killer (Ghoul) again and again seems more relevant.

You say you don't agree, but justify one over the other, when they sound pretty much the same (if we're being honest).

Another point is how players react to a gamestyle the other side uses. While yes Bullysquads are hated by Killers the most common suggestions in this forum is to always bring Lightborn or if you play against Sabo Squads Slug the hell out of them. These are legit conversations how to tackle the problem you are facing. Survivors Gen Rush? Use slow down and so on.

1: This takes out killers lobby dodging to avoid sweaty builds. If survivors knew who the killer was (which would be an awful idea), they'd bounce before the match and DCes would go down.

2: We've had massive waves of vitriol directed at Survivors over Fast Track and not being able to know its there or play around it. Not knowing what they are dealing with until they are in the match is the normal survivor experience.

3: As @cogsturning mentioned, Lightborn totally eliminates a playstyle.

4: How to counter the slugging is a playstyle. That's radically different than 'you should have guessed right on what perk to bring'.

Survivors on the other hand react to such topics in another way. Many Survivors think that BHVR should make playsstyles they don´t like unusable and get mad at BHVR if they don´t do it right after the suggestion came in.

Unusuable is probably an exaggeration, but yes, survivors want certain playstyles nerfed.

That's not unique by any means. Gen rush, MFT, BU+FTP, old old DH, old DH, sabo plays, unhookable builds, etc. all have been massively complained about. Even something like using OTR to bodyblock got nerfed with an explanation that mirrored killer reasoning. The main difference is that killers seem to be better at actually getting BHVR to listen.

From time to time I try to reason with some players in this forum that "If slugging is in 10 of 10 games why won´t you take anti slug perks?" and always the answer tend to be something like "I don´t want to use a perk for BHVRs bad game desing".

That's not always the answer. Unless there's a secret forum the rest of us don't know about, saying that just makes you sound silly.

There are three main issues here

1: Your framing - despite saying you want this be honest you're going to an extreme of someone saying '10 out of 10'. Lots of survivors complaining about it aren't going to that extreme. So if you only get slugged 1 out of 5 games, tunneled 1 out of 5 games, ignored 1 out of 5 games while the others are focused on, and two normal games, its a grab bag of guessing what perks to use.

2: Much like the discussion on Lightborn, antislug perks are still limited. You don't just get to counter the style completely. You get a pick up with Unbreakable, have to make sure you get near an exponential boon (and that the killer doesn't snuff it), etc.

3: Even with the perks, its still pretty boring. Okay, I can now crawl to exponential and pick myself up, whatever, not exactly thrilling gameplay.

Or blast mine. Or fireworks. Or flashbangs. But you can literally see the flashlight in the lobby. This argument would only make sense if killers couldn't see survivors in the lobby.

Do you think I have anger for Lightborn?

It's an unfair perk. That's why I use it. It's one of two anti-item perks you can choose based on what you see in the lobby, and get likely value. What are you going to do about toolboxes? Bring regress? You probably are already doing that. A medkit? Not really worth changing anyting for. Keys? Oh no they can open chests fast! Fog vials? Who even cares? Maps? Now you know there'll be a boon totem. Free info, no need to counter. But flashlights are just deleted. You also get free aura read for doing absolutely nothing. And again, it's not just items. Flashbang and Blast Mine are perks. If someone has a build devoted solely to blinds you delete the whole thing with one perk.

In reality it benefits the survivor side by not having two survivors in chase.

This honestly reads like satire. "I'm helping you be better at the game by choosing how you'll play. You're welcome." Use the perk, don't use it, I don't care, but accept that it's unfair.