General Discussions
General Discussions
For those who like to say that The Plague isnt good...
Btw, im sure someone will come here saying Legion is a top tier followed by a 4 iridescents on Rank 1 print, but Legion will keep being the worst killer no matter what.
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well, for one this proves nothing, but yeah plague is like the highest of the mid tiers
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Top Tiers: Nurse, Spirit, Hillbilly, Plague, Huntress, Michael.
Mid Tiers: Hag, Pig, Trapper, Doctor.
Low Tiers: Clown, Leatherface, Wraith, Freddy, Legion.
There is nothing else to say.
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I wouldn't call Plague a top tier killer. She still gets looped hard if the survivors don't cleanse. Clown isn't low tier either, you can't loop him efficiently since you get slowed in the gas.
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The picture literally shows nothing. Any killer can 4 man some potatoes.
Plague is in the upper mid tiers at best.
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I love how you contradict yourself by using your image as proof and immediately following it up by saying the exact same thing but instead with Legion somehow wouldn't prove the same point.
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that's a yikes tier list :/
not complete yikes but hag mid tier? myers high tier?
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What were the survivor builds?
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+1
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How many blood points did you get?
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Guys, I'm sure the survivor build and bloodpoint gain screenshots are just taking longer to upload, providing a full picture of the match ;3
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About 24k bloodpoints, all the survivors got less than 8k, was a surprise for me when i saw 4 iridescents with such scores, about the perks, Rank 1 perks just as normal, Self care, BT, Spring Burst/Dead hard, 2 of them had MoM too, but its basically useless against plague so...Wasted slot!
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Image proves nothing. Show the gameplay. Otherwise: next.
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Generic Forum Post About X Killer...
You think X killer is under powered huh?
I'll have you know I got a 4k with X killer!
All of these in a nutshell.
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Are you stupid? If you simply get 4 kills with any killer on the new ranking, you wont get 4 iridescents, why dont you try it youserlf?
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based off your tier list I would guess you watch tyde tyme.
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You found a few baby survivors where you managed to get 4 iridescents?
GZ
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I dislike lots of classifications like "A+, A, B, C...Whatever else", its really simple you see.
Top Tiers = Victory is based on the killer personal skill way more than survivor flaws.
Mid Tiers = Victory is based on half of the survivors flaws + personal skill.
Low Tiers = If the survivors play well you lose, no matter what.
Btw, the names order DOES matter, meaning that Clown is the strongest of the low tiers and Doctor the weakest of the Mid tiers, however, each of them are almost reaching those said tiers (above or below them).
Clown has no end game and his power can only force the survivors to drop the pallets (which are enough to loop for 5 gens), if you dont face brain dead survivors, they gonna loop you until you try to prevent their path with the gas, but then they just run away from that loop and continue the whole proccess on the next one again and again...
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You lose all credibility when you start insulting people, just saying...
"If you get 4 kills with any killer on the new ranking, you wont get 4 iredescents"
That's not true at all, you just need to keep them alive and not camp, that's all you need...
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Yeah if you kill them too fast you wont reach it, if you down them too fast you wont reach it, if they gen rush you, you wont reach it, if you cant hook AND kill all 4 you wont reach it, you can just reach 4 Iridescents nowdays if you have a perfect match.
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@tt_ivi_99 "That's not true at all, you just need to keep them alive and not camp, that's all you need..."
So if you kill all 4... then you didn't keep them alive... and so you wont get 4 iridescents.
Also if you are facing potato survivors as leatherface then you would reasonably down all 4 at the same time and only get 1 hook per survivor without camping or tunneling.
That or if you run a slug build then same deal. 4 Kills in 4 hooks, no camping requried.
Or if the survivors are really non-altruistic.
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This shows you had a good match, not that it's a good Killer.
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Congratulations, you had one good match as Plague. It means nothing.
Also Myers and Plague are nowhere near top tier because both of them can easily be looped. Myers can also be starved of EW. Heck Plague is basically a slightly better version of LF because after she makes you broken, she becomes a powerless 115% Killer. You can avoid her Corrupt Purge by hiding until it goes away.
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@Bug_Reporter What was your build?
Guys at rank 1 killer, in order to double pip you have to get 4 iridescents. In order to get iri Devout he had to get 9 hooks AND 4k. In order to get iri GK he would have to have ended the game before gates and kept it at something like 3 gens most of the game. In order to get iri Chaser he needs to win like 23 chases (which if he caught everyone 3 times is 24 chases). And in order to get iri Malicious he would have to get hooks from those chases, and slug a few and such.
Plague can be VERY strong. I'm discovering a way to play her that is very effective, something to how Doctor would play to slow gens but not as lame.
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Everything you said right there is countered by what I said "That's not true at all, you just need to keep them alive and not camp, that's all you need..." Which is translated as "just go easy on them"
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And what does this prove, nothing. You can get full iridescent with Freddy but most of the community still think he's garbage and if you think Plague is better than Huntress I want to know why? I have never been killed by a Plague because she's another M1/R2 killer with a useless power. Plagues power is so bad that it helps survivors by giving them an insta heal, who's stupid idea was that?
😂😂😂
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As if he had any to begin with.
I've been consistently getting survivors at Ranks 12 - 15 (and even some 17 here and there) in my red rank lobbies.
I just 4 manned Haddonfield with Leatherface, all 12 hooks. Does that mean anything?
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Hey now Tyde has the bEsT LisT eVeR. ;)
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@tt_ivi_99 you shouldn't have to go easy on someone in order to do well in a system designed to track relative skill.
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@thesuicidefox Random build, as you can noticed by the image, im still levelling her up, so i stoped at P1-50 and kept farming until 1.000.000 BPs, but my aimed build at P3-50 is:
Deerstalker, Ruin, Spies From the Shadows and Whispers.
Sinces Spies is still bugged, change it for something else like BBQ (for farming porpuses), NOED or anything else that fits your gameplay. Infectious Fright is also decent, but isnt as good as spies because as soon as they scream they will run away.
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Plague is high mid-tier at absolute best. Her effectiveness is entirely dependent on whether the survivors cleanse or not. If survivors don't cleanse, she's basically like the Pig - can generally get one hit for free, but then gets to play the looping game for a bit while her power slows the match down a bit.
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This community is so hypocritical.
"Plague isn't viable at rank 1"
Plague 4k 4 iri double pip at rank 1.
"That doesnt prove anything they were probably potatoes. "
At rank 1. Looks viable to me. Best killer? Nah. Viable? Apparently. Get over yourselves.
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Every killers effectiveness is dependent on survivors making mistakes. Especially at rank 1. Some can capitalize on mistakes or force mistakes easier, but that example says nothing about plague.
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At least when i face survivors at Rank 1, they dont make mistakes, i mean, sometimes i face Rank 20 survivors while im Rank 1, but when i face a Rank 1 Cheat With Friends, there are no mistakes on either sides and then we go back to the Tier list and all of that starts to make sense...
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Must have been some pretty potatoe Survivors to have only gotten less than 8k points each when you had so many chases and separate hooking events and not getting many gens done.
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I rode Freddy from R15 all the way to R1. He's far from "low tier", people just don't know how to use his kit effectively or are bad at allowing themselves to be looped.
Either way, both are caused by lack of player skill.
In short, your list is pointless.
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So much less that 9% of the games? 4man swf isnt that popular let alone the tryhards. I understand rank 1 survivors are far better even just at tactical thinking, but I was merely saying that most games for killers rely on mistakes. Even if small, seemingly un noticeable. A failed loop corner could have saved you 30 seconds. Someone accidentally going to a teammate may get you 2 people easy.
It's harder to win at rank 1 bc of the skill, yes, but it still relies on mistakes most of the time.
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I play Freddy too and i know how to use his kit very well, specially because i love the character, i just wish he was better, Freddy is weak and it doesnt matter if you know how to play him well, you gonna lose if you face normal Rank 1 survivors (not brain dead scrubs), by losing i mean getting less than 4 kills.
Being a true killer main means:
1 kill or less with any killer at Rank 1? Uninstall.
2 kills? You got humiliated, you better be ashamed!
3 kills? Was a draw.
4 kills but all the survivors got more than 10k points? Git Gud!
4 kills + all survivors got less than 8k points? You WIN!
4 DCs + Trash talk? Mission Complete!!! Remember to drop the "GG 2 EZ" followed by "GG = Git Gud" and leave the lobby, enjoy the salt man, you've earned it!
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Back to OT, my feelings from another thread...
"I find Plague to be a real stinker at the mo. Her charge time on vomit, is a massive hindrance, ineffective and only useful against potatoes in the chase, as is the need to visit pools to temporarily make her power offensive. Oh and those pools also FULLY heal survivors.
Leather face may need to charge his power, but if he hits, you're buggered; if plague hits against a savvy survivor, its barely an inconvenience!"
Out of interest, what is your perk loadout
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@Bug_Reporter She was top tier in her PTB, and I can't see how you think Plague, Huntress and Myers are better than Hag.
It actually goes like this:
Top tier,
Nurse, Spirit, Billy and Hag.
Upper mid tier: Plague, Huntress, Myers and Wraith.
I don't know how you think Hag is weaker, considering her wins count her skill and if you think she's mid tier, you probably suck as her.
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I dont consider myself a Hag main, but she is one of the 3 killers that i have all the perks available, i play her so much, i played her since her launch i saw all of her changes, i also played her on Rank 1 for a long time even when she was considered weak by the majority but i never saw her as a weak killer...
The thing is that she was never a top tier and after her buffs she mannaged to reach the top of the Mid Tiers meaning that she is almost a true Top Tier, however whenver you play against a full CWF, specially if one of two of them have a flashlight, you gonna have a extremely hard time.
Any survivor who wanna counter Hag, solo or on a CWF can follow her around and pop her traps as soon as she places it, they will go popping all of them whenever you pick up someone and most of the time you will find yourself with less than 3 active traps, against a CWF its even worse, since you will have no placed traps, when u find someone, u gonna try to set a trap on the area you are getting looped, one survivor gonna leave the area while another one will pop your trap with or without a flashlight and that cicle will continue while all gens get RUSHED AF.
In the end, she is indeed pretty powerful, but she cant do much against a good CWF or "big brain" survivors. Michael and Huntress have lower chances compared to Nurse,Spirit and Hillbilly, but their powers cant get completely countered by survivors to the point the only thing you can do is M1. Since you think i suck with her i'll consider that you arent experienced with her as much as i do so you havent faced such matches yet.
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@Supernaut it was a random build, as you can noticed by the image, im still levelling her up, so i stoped at P1-50 and kept farming until 1.000.000 BPs, but my aimed build at P3-50 is:
Deerstalker, Ruin, Spies From the Shadows and Whispers.
Sinces Spies is still bugged, change it for something else like BBQ (for farming porpuses), NOED or anything else that fits your gameplay. Infectious Fright is also decent, but isnt as good as spies because as soon as they scream they will run away.
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Plague is okay. Really nothing special. You can get a Iridescent 4k as Doc or Freddy and it doesn't make them top tier.
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But at rank 1 it shows they are capable and viable there. Regardless of what kind of survivors. Rank 1 is rank 1. Rank 1 potatoes are rank 1. And the rank 1 "cheat with friends" seal team squad is so much lower than 10% of matches its laughable.
Plague is viable at rank 1. Weve just seen it.
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There's a difference between a single good match and a dozen 4ks. Any killer is viable if a skilled player uses them against the average survivor main. It's when you're able to get regular and consistent 4ks with a killer against solid SWF groups that theyre on par with Nurse. A single screen cap of a 4k at rank 1 doesn't mean a killer is top tier.
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On par with nurse and viable are two completely different things.
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My argument was about people classifying her as top tier. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
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This pic prove nothing
Like what? If i get terrible scores and all bronze on Nurse, does that mean Nurse is low tier?
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Lol
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"by losing i mean getting less than 4 kills."
If a "loss" is anything less than 4 kills, then I guess every killer is "low tier" because that happens with all of them. No one gets 4 kills every game and despite popular entitled survivor beliefs, most killers consider 2 kills as a "win", especially in SWF games.
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Ahh yeah. I mean I wouldnt say shes top tier at all. But shes definitely playable at high ranks. It's not gonna be a cakewalk every game, but its possible.
I just wouldnt say shes trash either.
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