MoM is so unfun to play against.

Piggy ambush dash is not count for Mom. And end game collapse already buff piggy

I already mentioned one that's been in the game for a while that is basically or ALMOST an equivalent. While MoM extends a chase, Spirit Fury basically ENDS it within 3-4 seconds, especially when combined with Enduring.

But on top of that, killers have been getting little buffs here and there for the past year basically. Those little buffs add up.

Mind you, I still think the survivor side is playable, but it's gotten to a point where the majority of matches end with a 3k or 4k for the killer which if the game was "balanced", it would be more like 2 dying and 2 surviving.

Well no, for me it ends in 3-4 people surviving lmao. I wish I lived in whatever world you're playing in, on PS4 middle-ranks killers get gen rushed to death. 3 gens in the time to hook one person is fairly unbalanced lol.

And the game is designed for there to only be 1 survivor. That would be the perfect game because of statistics and what not.

Also, I don't think Spirit Fury ends chases that quickly. Maybe with Enduring they can get an extra hit but then survivors can just run to the next pallet. If you were a very good survivor, Spirit Fury would result in injured unless the killer has one-shot potential. Most of the time, survivors make it to the next vault/pallet anyway.

The thing is, there's no counterplay for a LOT of things until you know it's there. What's the counterplay for a Plague running Corrupt Intervention to block the 3 furthest gens and just walking back and forth between the remaining gens and puking on them?

You can't counterplay against Spirit Fury until you get that stun and the pallet breaks in your face and you get wrecked.

You can't counterplay against Nurse's Calling (unless you constantly waste a perk slot running distortion), until a killer mysteriously finds you feeling in a place they should've had no idea where you were.

What's the counterplay for hearing a faint heartbeat and thinking you have time to hide, but then you see a Leatherface and he's running Monitor and Abuse and he's breathing down your neck.

My whole point is that in order for you to have a counterplay to something, you have to learn they have it first. And like I stated earlier, with MoM, by the time you figure out they have it, that person should be about to go down on their second hook and won't get it again for the rest of the match.

NOW, with all that said, I would support a nerf of the perk where they have to take 4 hits instead of 3. That way, they basically won't get the perk until they're on their death hook (assuming they never escaped a chase).

You clearly didn't read my whole comment but that's okay. I acknowledged that all of those things have counters and my point was that you CAN'T counter most of those things until AFTER you've figured out they have it.

MoM doesn't necessarily NEED a counter because it's likely you'll only get it once per match anyway. Maybe a nerf to 4 hits instead of 3, but that's all it needs.

1) well wait 2 min if you are bad survivors.

2) This happen mid game. If you stun the killer you have one idea or you see how the other survivors run the killer at the time.

3) Or you don't heal yourself inside the terror radio.

4) Well you still have time to do things and besides why don't you just hide ?

Yup it really is, no idea why devs didn't bother to put it on PTB and ask if we were fine with it, LIKE DEVS SHOULD DO ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS THE USUAL PROCEDURE

The absolute radio silence on it from the Devs speaks volumes.

So umm how's BBQ &chilli a crutch for someone who plays wraith and leatherface please enlighten me

LOL First: I was listing all the top tier perks for killers since someone else listed all the top tier (and some mid to bottom tier survivor) perks as "clutch"

Second: BBQ & Chili on ANY perk tier list is either AT or NEAR the top, regardless of the killer. Yes, it is still a crutch.

1. It tells you someone's exact location if they are far away.
2. If you can't see them, you can more than likely decipher that they are close to you and use that info as well.
3. It gives you hella bloodpoints.

So you're trying to say that it's NOT a crutch that I have a perk that can show me two people across the map, I know one is on hook, and I can probably find the last one close to me. But you're going to ignore the fact that someone (and I'm too lazy to see if it was you) called Unbreakable, Borrowed Time, and Deliverance "crutch perks"? LOL, ok sure.

@RakimSockem Since those are meta perks you with the possible exception of NOED just assume they have it and do the counter in every game you play to the extent that you can without giving up too many advantages. So one at a time:

Ruin - You will find out if the Killer has this before it really matters too much. Just work on it like normal until you get a skill check

BBQ - If you are working on a generator then walk behind the generator. Otherwise hop in a locker for 4 seconds. Again always do this even if you know specifically know they have BBQ

Nurses Calling - Don't heal in the Killers terror radius. You probably shouldn't do that anyway.

Whispers - Not impactful enough to require a dedicated counter. Just avoid them like normal.

Spirit Furry - Try and stun the Killer early in your chase before SF would have been built up. If the Killer has enduring continue stunning them like normal. Otherwise drop your pallets early since even if he doesn't the stun isn't worth it.

Make your chose - You are told if the Killer has this in time. Go immersed when it procs.

M&A - Use your eyes. You can see them before you get in their terror radius when it is small enough.

NOED: Cleanse any totems you come across. If you identify 4 Killer perks that are not NOED then you can stop.

Naturally, that's how I tend to play. But then you could also make that same argument for playing against MoM. Assume that someone has it, and deal with it as it occurs. Certain killers get screwed, but Nurse isn't affected by it, there's two chainsaw killers who can avoid it, Myers has his tier 3 which means he'll hit people less than most killers would have to. I just don't think it's that big of a deal that people can't adapt to it.

MoM is another free second chance perk and once its bugs are fixed and it works in more situations it gets even worse!

They should just rework it to the suggestion in this post:

If they do that i will buy Ash eventhough i dont really play survivor to support them doing good changes for the game. If they dont balance MoM well no extra money from me...

I disagree with OP.

First off I main Wraith (probably the most affected and not the strongest killer there is) MoM is very strong for survivors,yes, especially against tunneling killers, but it also comes at a high cost, and it doesn't immediately activate like DS.

I'm speaking from my own experience because I was worried how much it would affect someone like Wraith whose main ability is literally to be cloaked otherwise he's just an M1 killer. I haven't really seen anything that would make me think that perk is broken, if anything it only became useful when that person was caught as being the last survivor which is situational and doesn't happen all the time.

I use this perk to my advantage, once activated I let the survivor escape.

And if they 99, I chase them again and force them to heal. Then, I leave them again. Now I can see their aura through out the whole game until I hook them again 😈

Its cause they charge money for it. And most people already have D strike so they can earn a lot of new money with the Ash DLC.

That's not a problem with the perk, that's a problem with killers being unbalanced

I actually like going against it so that I can better learn mind games.

@trikset

Mending against Legion would not count because the survivor need to fully heal. And mending isn’t consider healing for some reason. However, the plague will definitely force survivors to heal from fountains. Therefore you will get the aura reading.