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Basement needs fixed to stop hostage situations
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It's pretty wild to me that people are defending this. Pure bias. I guarantee this strategy will increase when the EGC goes live. Eventually the devs will address it somehow.
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There are ways to avoid this, like not getting yourself cornered.
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You seem to be very passionate about this, given how much time you've spent in this topic. I find it kind of strange. 🤔
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Excuse me if I believe getting yourself cornered should have some consequences.
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All people in this forum are stubborn.
Survivors die because survivors go in the basement and get trapped there, they shouldnt be going there in a situation ehere they might get trapped there.
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Make hitting,hooking, slugging not alter the EGC timer, that's all it needs.
Because 3 minutes is more than enough time for SWF to decide to make a rescue, if you get caught for rescuing THAT'S YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT.
Survival is YOUR OWN responsibility
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Killers blocking stairs is rare to begin with, esp for entire matches as the OP was using as an example. If a killer does that, first off they are stupid. Secondly, while it does suck for the survivor trapped, the rest of the survivors get the gens done, start EGC and game over. EGC prevented the hostage situation.
The only time I can agree with the OP as under the new EGC that the basement body block is the extremely rare situation that the killer some how manages to get all 4 survivors trapped in the basement and not in a EGC situation. This situation is reportable and also completely stupid and survivors should never let that happen to themselves.
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IF the killer wants to punish a survivor, to get A SINGLE KILL, worth only 500 points, without getting any emblems, or any other points, what so ever, that's the killer being a moron. If two people are in the basement, and the Killer hits one of them, the other shouldn't be able to run out while the killer is in the hit stun. You're asking for a free escape for survivors from the basement, and that's NOT going to happen. The game you're describing isn't fun for the killer either. Please stop thinking this is going to be a thing, because it REALLY isn't. You might get body blocked in the basement if you go for a bad hook save NEAR the end game. That's it.
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Still a weak defense for this all around. It should be addressed. Saying "don't get caught down there" is childish since IG and Agitation exist. Survivors hid in a corner and ignored you? Lol run Whisperers and look. That's basically the response you are giving.
@Incirion - You really think Survivors should have 0 escape when in the basement not even with the Killer hitting? Good lord. Why not have it instant sacrifice people than?
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Yes. If you're in the basement, and the killer is there, then you've made a MAJOR mistake, and you should NOT get to escape for free in that situation. @VexTheHex
So I 100% think the survivors should have 0 escape WHEN THE KILLER IS THERE.
Edit : Re-reading your message makes me think you might not have actually read what I said. So did you?
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Survivors hide in the basement all the time. No one makes you go down to the basement in the first place. It's like entitled survivors never watched a horror movie. You get caught, too bad so sad. A free escape lol can we get an automatic free kill if we catch you in our terror radius topside?
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What if the guy body blocked in the basement is the last survivor alive?, the teammates cant finish gens to activate the doors nor he can reach the hatch, the survivor cant do anything at all to escape or activate the collapse, his only way out is to disconect.
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So is half the things survivors do every match.
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Uncommon and a bannable offense. Literally nothing new whatsoever.
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not fixed lol still keep game hostage
the solution is making wider every basement entrance
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Why is the last survivor left alive dumb enough to go into the basement?
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We are not talking about dumb decissions, we are talking about people traped in a place where they cant get out.
The fact is survivors body blocked in the basement have no way to get out of the match if there are no survivors outside doing gens, that is taking the game hostage and it needs a fix.
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And if the killer catches the survivor in the basement, with the hatch opened, what's his incentive for not just attacking and chasing the survivor and killing him? What's his hypothetical motive for body blocking this person?
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Trolling the guy, like most situations where someone takes the game hostage.
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I managed to trap 3 survivors in the basement after they triggered EGC, and then just waited out the timer. Just waited and watched them all die as I intended. A salty survivor responded "imagine getting banned while playing PTB." and made declarations of recording the event and reporting me.
Sure its a mean tactic, but they really should've just left their friend to die instead of going into the basement during EGC. Can't get banned when the intention behind blocking the basement was to ensure they'd die when the timer ran out. I imagine more killers will be using basement builds when EGC goes live for this reason. :P
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If gens never get done when the killer is legitimately ignoring all other survivors, then the killer might not be the one holding the game hostage :thinking:
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I'm pretty sure the basement is meant to be the most dangerous place to be hooked.
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Shhhh. You can't use logic with Survivor mains. It gives them headaches.
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You can just report for hostage on basement since killers just do ez ways to get 2 kills instead of 1 i do agree about the basement
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Nah, basement will stay as it is. It's a good reason to avoid necessarly buffs and helps witht he statistic.
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What if your mates escape with a key? Or don't open an exit gate? Or u are the last survivor and he found you in the basement before closing the hatch? Lol
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Easy fix, makekiller collision/"hitbox" radius smaller
This will fix multiple things
- Killer blocking stairs
- Survivor looping advantage
- Pallet stun range
- Survivors blocking killer momentum from the side
I wondernwhy this fix idea doesnt come up lol.
Btw I'm not serious with this idea either, would probably add new problems, like more survivors circling into the blind angle infront the killer.
They cannot add a second staircase because of how the basement is put into the maps. They would need to change every map
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I mean, if you go down to the basement after the gens/doors are powered and the killer catches you, you dun messed up. Even if it's to save a teammate, it's the risk you take.
If they do it before a gen is done/all the gens are done it's a valid, if a bit dickish, move (and I say this as someone who invisi-camped the stairs as Wraith once to ensure my kill for a sacrifice daily).
I'm kinda on the fence if they should (if they even could) somehow widen the stairs or add a second escape route in basement in EGC. For reason stated above, but I also know that feeling of a killer blocking the basement stairs and knowing at least one of you is screwed. So I'm on the fence about this matter in EGC, I feel it's fine in normal gameplay.
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The irony in this comment is palpable.
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There is a very simple way to avoid that situation: Don't get caught in/near the basement. "Problem" solved.
The basement is a one-way. If you mess up down there, you're #########, exactly like it should be. Don't go down there if you can't live with the consequences.
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Where is the "LOL" button when you need it?
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Threads like this are why survivors are always seen as entitled idiots.
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*grabs popcorns*
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Basement blocking
If someone is on the hook in the basement and the Killer blocks the entry, so no one can enter to save - it's a solid, while a bit annoying, tactic and it's absolutely allowed and not bannable
If the Killer prevents one or more Survivors from leaving the basement over several minutes - pretty much everything over several minutes - is considered holding the game hostage and is bannable
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Actually, the basement can be a form of the old face-camping(when you couldn't unhook from the sides). I've seen several games where one survivor is hooked in the basement and the killer just stands in the stairs, blocking any survivor of even being able to attempt saving the one hooked in the basement. I don't really see why this should be a thing.
I get that being able to body block survivors running out is handy but you could still technically body block them in if you keep moving side to side along with them if the stairs just got ever so slightly bigger, giving the survivor just enough room to squeeze through. Both of the survivors wouldn't be able to run up at the same time anyway there, so you would still get free hits off like before.
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Thats freaking stupid, the collapse will make hostage situations even worse, a killer can now bodyblock a basement with 2 players and wait until the timer of the end game collapse ends so that he gets those BP
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Why are you going for basement saves during EGC? Just leave, you risk just giving the killer more kills
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...which is absolutely brilliant! You get punished for your altruism.
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Why should i get punished for my altruism? Unhooking is one of the core aspects of the game
this is basically the same as the pig crouching trap basement exploit, both survivors are left with no chance of escaping for 3 minutes, are you people really supporting these kind of scummy tactics?
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Your core objective is to SURVIVE. If someone gets caught at the end, that sucks for them. You need to be smart and realize when you all can escape or when sacrifices have to be made to get everyone else out.
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Stuff like this thread is a perfect example why this forum gets mocked as being extremely killer sided BS. So let’s say someone gets hooked in the basement with multiple gens left, not even the EGC. Someone goes to make a save and the killer returns to block the stairs, bringing the game to a standstill to ensure their 2 kills. On what planet is this quality gameplay?!
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Why should you not get punished for your altruism? You messed up, you get punished for that. Call it "Behaviours Selection".
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If they are blocking the basement, then get the gens done and move on. EGC will prevent a hostage situation and people will still move on from the game with BP at the very least. While it isn't fun by any means, it is the killer's choice to play like this and isn't really holding the game hostage if there is a chance that the game can still end.
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Have you ever played killer? I don't think you get a "free" perk slot anymore.
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If Survivors wanted quality gameplay they wouldn't be playing Survivor in first place.
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When that happens (while rare, it will happens), the killer is an idiot and he will get crap for BP. It is not quality gameplay, but technically it is a valid play. While I personally would not do it, I would not get mad a killer doing it to me. The basement is a very high risk, and basement saves doubly so.
I disagree the game is at a standstill. If there are other survivors, I would hope they are still cranking out gens. Now, if in your example, the two in the basement are the last two survivors and you are not in EGC, that is still considered taking the game hostage and is reportable.
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Taking the game hostage means there's no way for the trial to end. If the trial can end, it's not taking the game hostage.
You can use perks to mitigate the danger of purposefully cornering yourself, but the best perk is just thinking ahead.
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