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Idk about y’all
But I say Freddy in his current state is better than this poor “changes” for legion. Legion is gutted in half, legion can practically be considered worse than Freddy. And you would think the devs learned something from that huge mistake huh? Like the legion”s power is basically to play tag with you. Yea, u can use legion”s power to catch up to survivors and get out of frenzy...wow fantastic, very useful..Like, I can play spirit who is fantastic at that while playing a mind game with the survivor while legion the joke has to take a cooldown fatigue.
ahh man, not to mention SWF will turn legion into a joke for all those franks mixtapes they dealt with XD (franks mixtape deserved to be gutted tbh tho)
Since legion is more than likely not going to change, let’s bring up another matter.
SWF, bring something to aid killers already jeeeeeez. A lousy indicator is too much to ask for devs? Killers could better equip themselves against these MLG bullying survivors you know running builds like MoM adrenaline borrowed time DS etc. Eh, they won’t listen, they just cave to what survivors wants / needs are.
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At first I thought you’d be saying Freddy wasn’t as bad as people say. Legion change really isn’t too bad and Freddy is good if you learn him.
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Freddy has to ask for permission to interact with the survivors. Legion can just go stabby stabby. I'm hoping the rework will do something about the sleep mechanics...
As for the SWF plea, they need to do something to buff Solo players up to SWF level first (no one will play solo if it feels too hard and there's a good portion of survivors who play solo) and they're sitting on their hands on Solo buffs. >> Like that perk that tells you how far along someone is healed while on the ground should be basekit. Solo players will be at a massive disadvantage to SWF if they are actually expected to bring in all those "for solo players only" perks like Kindred/Buckle Up. No one can agree on what would be OP and what wouldn't.
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Freddy is still the weakest. Watching helplessly for the dream transition to end while gens get finished, totems get cleansed, survivors get unhooked or healed, exit gates get opened right in front of your eyes? Only with Freddy.
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I'm so sick of these post complaining about the new Legion. He is WAY more balanced than he was before. Dude Legion still gets a free frenzy hit, not to mention he has add-ons that now can give a survivor:
1.) the "broken" status
2.) far longer lasting frenzy, lets you cover more ground
3.) 4.6 m/s
4.) can STILL vault pallets (no counter, gets conveniently ignored)
and so many more things we can list. It does suck in my opinion that his terror radius was changed, but at least he can no longer moonwalk survivors with the new mending mechanic.
Please go watch this unbiased video by HybridPanda
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A free hit that's on a 20s cd, and can't be used on injured survivors, and after the first hit he wastes time chasing down other survivors which leaves them to mend and do gens. He's not balanced, he's trash, and that's why survivors say he's better now. Cuz instead of fixing him, they gutted him due to all the crying and jumped to their general knee jerk reactions as they always do.
1) Requires an addon AND for you to waste your 20s cd power to hit a survivor again assuming you don't whiff, and you'll be on the hook so it'll drain anyway, no one heals anyway. If Broken was scary, Plague would be a god.
2) Which comes with less speed, longer fatigue, requires a full 20s bar to fill before you can use it again. Which is lost upon any stun, hitting a survivor with m1, or whiffing.
3) Trapper, Plague, Wraith, LF, Freddy, Clown, Doctor sure are good 115 killers. *cough* *cough*
4) Vaulting pallets isn't scary, and actually bad cuz now you have a pallet down and you have to break it, to m1 the survivor cuz your power can no longer down anyone. Also they nerfed it so he basically slow-mos while doing it. It's actually slower than survivors.
Moonwalking needed to be changed, but Legion got an FOV nerf, double cd nerf, Frank's gutted, power gutted, fatigue nerf, and FF MS nerfed. But it's k, cuz he's a generic M1 killer with no real power, especially if anyone is injured. That's ok though, cuz that's what everyone wanted anyway right?
Hell, Feral Frenzy isn't a power, it's just an excuse to keep buffing Borrowed Time. They even admitted they keep buffing BT because of Feral Frenzy. Imagine selling a DLC killer with a power so you can buff an already strong perk. Nice.
Last post, I swear, have fun. <3
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Every time someone is breaking my Ruin while I'm using Freddy that meme song by Blond Redhead plays in my mind while I helplessly stand there, watching, waiting....
edit to add song
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He didn't really get gutted, though. He got changed. Legion already wasn't all that great. Most slower killers have something that can hurt you as their M2. They changed it so that you could reach further with his power (though it's slower, but I think that's for balance) and it's like people forgot how many times you had to hit survivors before to down them.
The only things I'd really change is the pins, the vault speed, and when FF can be applied. There may be a few more, but I can't think of them off hand.
I'll go back and address what you said.
He's not balanced, he's trash, and that's why survivors say he's better now.
I don't think he's trash. I'm saying he's better now, but not because I'm a survivor main going "haha, serves you right. nerf all your stuff." I've played Legion and he felt smooth to me. Not only that, but it wasn't just "survivor mains" who wanted changes. Using this sort of rhetoric creates a them versus us sort of atmosphere, though. It's just us.
You're honestly just unpleasant to "debate" with. I'm not surprised Speshul is giving you a hard time, the way you twist words.
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I like Hybrid Panda and gave him the benefit of doubt to watch the video. First thing he says is he doesn't really like Legion or play Legion. On one hand that is good because it means he's got sort of fresh eyes for this. On the other hand its bad because he's also got none of the experience with previous Legion to really understand what is and isn't hurting with these upcoming changes.
The games he gets into aren't really that good either. The survivors for the most part aren't particularly good with the second game where he 4k's having one person go afk another person choosing to die to EGC and the two that were actually somewhat playing being also really bad. The first game he got one actual kill and then the other person that died chose to die to EGC when they could have escaped and the other two hatch'd right in front of him. So from the games he put up for people to see he didn't really do that well.
He talks about the issues bothering him that people have already expressed.
- Power recharge is long.
- Missed hit penalty is a bit steep
- Basic hits draining power
- Deep Wounds not really being an issue outside of a 10sec mend.
- Stun is really harsh.
There are other issues that Legion's got that he doesn't have to deal with as the survivors weren't good enough to actually cause them to happen. From this video what you can take away from it is that from the perspective of a person who openly admits that didn't play Legion as they didn't ever really mesh with the killer's play style and never really played them past initial release is that now that they've sat down and played Legion on ptb now they enjoy what he's doing now. Which is what he's always been capable of doing and Legion players who weren't playing like potatoes have been doing the entire time. The only difference is Legion doesn't have reliable pressure with Deep Wounds as it poses no threat to your life. If you run Iri Button it especially stops posing any threats.
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THANK YOU!
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@Caretaker No, I think the issue is that you're not understanding what I'm saying. Sorry for getting upset. Felt like I was talking to myself 'cause you weren't understanding where I was coming from. We just see things differently and that's all right.
I don't think his FF speed should have been slowed, but I'll accept it if it's for balance. The things I mentioned are basically the things I think are way too weak. When I say change, I mean like a rework. Maybe I see something being "reworked" and "gutted" differently from you. I think Franks could use a little bit of a boost, too, if it keeps the if miss, stun thing. I think that'd be fair.
I agree, pins should. If it spread to everyone, that'd be good for pressure and you could possibly use it later on after downing whoever you choose to go after. Could make for some really cool stuff to play with.
Once again, sorry. owo Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.
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Legion its balance fam if you dont see the dev stream that they are trying to see what buff it need so that be middle but for now its balance and not toxic and cancer try to defend nobody cares about youre opinion like you said to @Speshul_Kitten if you dont like the change you need to get used to it
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In the other hand monto said he likes the change
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I'm not upset at you btw. I don't hold grudges, I just fire off what's in front of me. :P Sorry if I came off that way, I tend to just kinda GO IN so I apologize.
I don't think his FF speed should have been slowed, but I'll accept it if it's for balance. The things I mentioned are basically the things I think are way too weak. When I say change, I mean like a rework. Maybe I see something being "reworked" and "gutted" differently from you. I think Franks could use a little bit of a boost, too, if it keeps the if miss, stun thing. I think that'd be fair.
The thing about his FF speed being slowed is it makes longer loops that much riskier, and his power is super risky cuz of the amount of downsides on it now. You NEED to get that hit now. This change makes duration that much stronger. The big thing was the vault speed nerf. You can now reliably use those vaults to stall out FF and possibly cause a fatigue. Not to mention FF is mostly worthless outside of that first hit. If people don't heal it's worse than Plague, you literally don't get a power anymore.
Frank's getting gutted is honestly fine, but 25% off the bar after a hit is like? Ok? No one will die to deep wounds now unless they choose to so this is worthless. I would've much prefer something interesting like pallet breaking, or a new debuff or something. In fact an idea we had was that you'd multi-stab and DW draining would cause an action speed debuff of x%. 30s for mending, 60s if the bar empties. Can't be reapplied until it wears off, drains as soon as it hits.
I agree, pins should. If it spread to everyone, that'd be good for pressure and you could possibly use it later on after downing whoever you choose to go after. Could make for some really cool stuff to play with.
If it was a single hit, that'd be fine, cuz most of them are meh outside of blindness. Then again I don't really use addons so, but I'd like SOME variety. My main issue is now yea, he's "better", but there's no umpf to him, no variety, no power. He's just a generic M1 killer.
Let me try to explain if I can lol. I am a Legion main. He's one of my main killers. P3-50, all perks. I do not use addons, I don't moonwalk, I don't cheese. I m2, and then chase. So this is a buff to me, except it's not because of the plethora of downsides I now have to deal with while trying to play my previous playstyle. Which is now forced on people. I can't even use double CD for some fun every once in a blue moon.
I don't mind him being changed, but he's just getting nerf after nerf dumped on him with no compensation or sense. No spice, no variety. A killer is their power, and Legion's power is you can M1 people, and sometimes waddle across the map for 10s. Oh and slow-mo vault, which has such a painfully bad animation lol.
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You cared enough to reply chief. Unlike you I care about people's fun. Shocking, you don't have to be an ######### and you can still give people a fun and fair match. I wouldn't expect most people who play this game to even consider that though. (^: Also, "on stream they said they're gonna buff him" *proceeds to nerf double cd* AT LEAST HE CAN OPEN LOCKERS AGAIN NOW, WOO! Cuz that locker nerf was necessary.
Oh boy, a guy who makes videos likes something. Glad he speaks for 30,000+ people, especially when he mains survivor mostly, and generally doesn't play Legion unless using Frank's or abusing moonwalking the very thing you clearly have complained about, how ironic. Real authority on Legion for sure.
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It's no problem. ^^
The thing about his FF speed being slowed is it makes longer loops that much riskier, and his power is super risky cuz of the amount of downsides on it now.
Yeah, I know. I was initially very hesitant about it when I first heard they were decreasing the speed, but it seems fine in play. I was able to get to people I know I wouldn't have gotten to before ('cause I was running the same add-ons and I tested around with both recently). I by no means would complain if they did increase the speed in FF. xD; But I think they changed it for balance reason. Since Legion's normal speed is faster than before, they probably need to adjust for that.
I'm thinking it'd be good if they increased vault speed and allowed you to use FF under half (along with fixing the pins, of course). I'm not too worried about people staying injured 'cause most will try to heal until working on the final gen and if they don't, it isn't too hard to down someone if they happen to be out positioned.
No one will die to deep wounds now unless they choose to so this is worthless.
I remember people complaining about that achievement even with the current Legion. I think they should change it, really. Make it so if you down someone in DW normally it'll count. Maybe that's too easy of an idea, though, I dunno.
Let me try to explain if I can lol. I am a Legion main. He's one of my main killers. P3-50, all perks. I do not use addons, I don't moonwalk, I don't cheese.
I'm still working on getting all the perks on my killers. Survivors, too, but Kate has almost all the perks except Ash's, so idm really. The most fun for me to play atm is Legion and Wraith (Wraith has BBQ, too ^^ still working on Legion). I don't P3 my characters unless I like their bloody skin. To each their own, though. c: I know a lot of people playing survivor were complaining about people would just swing and miss a lot and still get the hit, so it's understandable to have some of these changes. I do hope they retract some, though.
I'm excited for the Pin changes, too! How they were before was just silly. I just hope they add it to the first hit 'cause otherwise no one's gonna use them. -w- Well, probably not. I'm not sure.
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I like his changes tbh, the only thing I dislike is that they punish him too hard if he uses his power... There is no reason to punish him that hard because he cant down anyone with his power so I dont understand why they did that.
Also his Tr should've stayed at 24m, just so he could punish those survivors who dont heal way harder.
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I'm exhausted so gonna do a concise post instead of my usual. Not ignoring you, just trying to see my screen lol. Duration is going to be insanely strong on Legion now. Especially double duration. It was already strong, but based on my theory you could reliably Frenzy to start, and patrol the map and possibly tag a survivor, and then just chain to all 4 to get people injured fast. Obviously still gotta loop, and you're gonna get trash Devious, but it CAN happen.
I kinda hope they just let you FF whenever cuz it's not like Spirit who can get a cheeky hit. You can get them into injured then FF is worthless. Not even worth adding a debuff, so the full bar is really harsh. The current meta of not healing is rough cuz healing was a huge chunk of stall that was nice to have. If they don't heal, they're at risk yea, but now pressure is on cuz they'll do gens instead and you gotta get that hit/cycle out hooks. Which is why I wanted DW to do something more for some spice/stall.
Deranged Pursuit is confirmed to be changed to apply Deep Wounds then down a survivor x times. At least from what I read so. At least I can say I 100% it when it was difficult, but not gonna lie I farmed a chunk of it lol. That achievement was STUPID and basically made for Frank's which caused DCs and stopped you from getting it, lol.
I also play Wraith. He's another main alongside Spirit/Huntress. Though I do play all killers. Got all them P3, 7 maxed prior to Plague patch, working on maxing them out again. I tend to mix cosmetics/prestiges. I really wish High Vis Legion was for Susie cuz she's my main, but I might nab the cosmetic and swap it around a bit. I hope the mask fits one of her hoodies, and I'm gonna run the knife for sure.
Yea, I agree it's gotta be first hit or you risk a whiff/wasting your power just to apply a debuff that immediately ticks down after it's applied. They're kinda redundant sadly.
Edit: I lied about concise, rip, lol.
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Balance: 4 survivors ≈ 1 killer
Yet currently: 4 survivors > 1 killer
Also for thr sake of the way assymmetrical games normally tend to be, balance should be: 4 survivors < 1 killer
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Graduated top of my class despite screwing around. Keep trying. You'll come up with something outside of generic randomized insult. Maybe. Probably not.
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@tt_ivi_99 Shape and Freddy both have lower terror radius, so I think that'd be fair. I don't think it'd be too strong at all.
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His TR is fine really. I wish they'd give DW a debuff of some kind after you mend. You stuffed your organs back in, that's gotta sting.
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@Caretaker top of your class? You know homeschool doesn’t count right? Oh I’m sorry I didn’t mean to come up with a non-generic insult, you seem to prefer that kind of language over facts though, and I’ve got plenty of both 😄
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I wouldn't think you're ignoring me for not directly quoting me. c: It's okay. I think some add-ons that weren't as popular are going to become more popular now, though some of the add-ons don't seem to be working. I wasn't sure if the PTB would waste my add-on, so I didn't try (I heard about it wasting BP, so I wasn't sure), but some of the people I've watched noted how the one that lets your killer instinct spread map wide didn't appear to be working.
Yeah, Legions can't just get a hit. They get stunned and need to do catch up. I think they may have changed it to help against someone just spamming it to close gaps and possibly getting ahead, maybe? Even then, I'd be perfectly okay with it being as fast as it was and I think allowing it at 50% would be fair. I've seen others say that was fine, too. The only way the no heal meta would change would probably be to nerf Adrenaline and to possibly buff healing and just nerf SC. That's what I'm thinking, at least, but if they touched Adrenaline, they'd probably have to change NOED, too. Those two are rather comparable. I will say Legion forces people to mend, which is more some killers have, pressure-wise.
Oh, so it'll be easier? I think I'll wait, then. owo Congratz on getting it when it was harder. c: It's exactly how you said. It's made for Frank's, but using Frank's tends to cause DCs. Don't agree with DCing, but I can understand people's frustrations with the add-on.
Wraith is my favorite! 💜 It's a lot of fun to sneak up on people. I'll say I (generally speaking) can play most of the other killers. I'm most comfortable with Wraith and Legion, though. Susie's my main Legion, too. x3 I got her shard outfit and was waiting until I got it before I played as her. The High Vis is the one coming out soon, right? I hope it looks good.
Yeah, the whiffing is kind of rough. Like I'd give Legion an extra hit, probably. When I initially complained about the whiffing thing, someone told me that it's still doable and stuff and I realized they were right, though. I was still able to chain FF or to hit the first one. Just have to be a bit patient. So, I dunno about it.
And you're fine. c: haha I do the same.
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Now you're randomly insulting home-schooled people? Also, no that was even more generic than the last one. Just stop. Honestly this time, just stop. I'm embarrassed for you at this point.
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On base assumptions and the games I played duration and possible ruler is the way to go now. Double CD just isn't worth it like it used to be. Could be ok but with the nerf to them, it's still a hefty fatigue. Wraith is a good boy. I originally started the game as Wraith. Regret not getting legacy on him and the others. Chaining FF is doable, the rough part is you whiff or auto-aim to something that's your debuff.
Also this is High Vis:
Literally my fave colors/aesthetic and it's a Joe reskin. I've been begging for black/teal with a hood forever.
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@Caretaker sure I’ll stop as soon as you admit you’re an adamant killer main
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I disagree in some thzings from Caretaker.
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Stuns drain your power. (Bug from Plague chapter that was never addressed, and apparently now a feature.)
-Harsh FOV cut that actually gives me headaches it's so bad and abrupt.
Yea but the devs already mentioned that they will remove the depleted power gauge after you get stunned. Also the loewer FOV really doesnt matter. I dont feel like I would lose someone during this fatigue. And if that's a huge problem for you you can try out shadowborn.
The thing he cant drain your Deep Wound through hitting you in FF multiple times is just so you stop tunneling the same person. The reason they nerfed the cooldown addons because people still try to cheese one survivor instead to outplay him. DbD isnt about you get a ability which has no counterplay like the holy Nurse. Everyone should have a chance and you as a killer should try to mindgame a survivor if you dont need to sth is wrong. Billy for examble. He's so damn strong, for reasons THE high tier killer. But you still have to mindgame people and punish them for making mistakes. Legion can easily put everyone (or at leats many survivors) into the injured + Deep Wound state. If they decide to not heal it's like you were billy without charging your chainsaw.
and if people decides to heal themselfs they need to mend for 15 seconds and then healing takes 32 seconds if youre not using perks like sloppy and/or thanatophobia. That's a ton of time and map pressure. But still it has counterplay and that's very important for every killer. And when normal m1 killer can apply map pressure then even more as the legion. + You just have to want to to find survivors by using your ability. And personally Im usin his 2 + duration addons so I have 16 seconds to find the others. That's sweet and still it isnt 30 seconds. So the survivors have the counterplay to run away when they hear your TR. The only thing I miss is the increased movement speed that would be nutty.
But hey if your opinion is that legion is bad for your playstyle, thats fine. For me he's a pretty good killer. Definetely a high B Tier killer. With addons maybe B+. Idk we will see. (A: Billy, Huntress, Spirit / the nurse excluded as S tier)
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You don’t have to be so sick of these posts.
here is a solution
ignore and move on
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Legion is seriously pretty much Freddy tier at this point. The only way u can use em is with the cooldown addons.
but ofc survivors will say “he is in the place he needs to be” cuz y’all don’t like getting hit multiple times with the frenzy so I understand.
Literally the power for legion is what he always had before but has his downing feature removed.
dont like my take on it? Can Care less.
PS: just because someone on the Internet like a youtuber/streamer says something is balanced or not, doesn’t justify with everyone else in the community. Doesn’t mean the person is right either. Not just for this case, but going forward.
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Stuns drain your power. (Bug from Plague chapter that was never addressed, and apparently now a feature.)
-Harsh FOV cut that actually gives me headaches it's so bad and abrupt.
Yea but the devs already mentioned that they will remove the depleted power gauge after you get stunned. Also the loewer FOV really doesnt matter. I dont feel like I would lose someone during this fatigue. And if that's a huge problem for you you can try out shadowborn.
Where did they say this? Cuz this was a bug that was introduced during the Plague patch, but only Spirit got fixed. We talked to people on the team, and even they said they didn't remember Legion not losing power after getting stunned. I had to show videos of my old Legion gameplay to prove that it's a bug. I don't trust them.
I like how you assume I just don't know how to play the game when I've 100% the game, actually play Legion, so honestly just gonna disregard your post cuz reading your post I'm not sure you're even replying to me seeing as I covered everything you said already.
Legion is now a basic M1 killer, and that's about it. He's not B+ especially considering almost all his addons are worthless, but again I don't expect people who don't play Legion, let alone killer much judging by your post to really judge him fairly. You're basically saying a 115 killer is almost top tier simply cuz he's 115. That's just objectively wrong, not even opinion based.
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Learn to play Legion. It just isnt a nobrainer like before.
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When I read the title I read it like coach
"idk about ya'll, but im grabbin pills!"
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Oh boo hoo.
Cry me a river.
Legion is fine. Maybe you should actually learn how to play a killer before you go voicing stupid statements like this. And Freddy is not that bad either. Sure, he takes a bit more effort to do well with, but I typically 3k with him. People are just stubborn and choose to play like morons instead of getting gud.
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And I can 4k with Freddy in his crappy state but I ain't gloating about that right? Thanks for ur useless input. Don't hurt your brain thinking how i can act like a big dog on the forums kiddo.
What's to learn if Legion is pretty much the same but has his kit gutted from him? Thanks for ur useless input tho.
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What is there to learn? You ######### M1. Congrats, you can play Legion. God this argument is getting pathetic.
Yea, learn how to play the W+M1 killer. He's so difficult to learn. Stop it. Get some help.
Unlike you people, I actually DO play Legion. Shocker. I bet you all just ran Frank's/moonwalked and this is why you think he's fine cuz thinking outside the box and not running the generic popular builds is too hard.
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Freddy needs a rework but Legion was broken.
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