What is a toxic survivor?

I would say that a toxic survivor is someone who:

1. T-bags
2. Flashlight spams
3. Disconnects (unless they are stuck or if the killer is using game hacks, I think that anyone that disconnects because they're angry ruins the game for every other survivor. ESPECIALLY if they were T-bagging the killer earlier)
4. Sends toxic messages to other survivors or the killer, placing the blame on them for their death and saying things like "git gud" "ez trash" you know, things like that.

If you're playing effectively, then I don't see it as toxic. As a killer and survivor player, I'm completely fine with flashlight saves and pallet looping, but that may just be me. I always make sure to give everyone a hearty GG though. But if anyone calls you toxic for juking or pallet looping, they're just pissed off, don't pay too much mind to it

What is juking?

@BLUE_APE said:

@RSB said:

@BLUE_APE said:
Becuase from what I've heard and seen.

T bagging, looping, juking attacks during a chase.

There must be more, but these right here cannot be all there is. Because this just sounds like Killer anger issues to me.

If tbagging isn't toxic for you, then I have sad news.

Add to it insulting at the game chat, spamming killers' profile with insults, trying to bully the killer, clicking the flashlight rapidly, using exploits.

Okay game chat spamming insulting messages, that is toxic, and if you won (or not) there isn't a need to be a jerk off weather you were a killer or survivor. (and if they are spamming on your profile, report them for it)

Flashlight clicking? and tea-bagging?....That is a personal problem, T-bagging doesn't do anything gameplay wise and if your getting mad over, then take a break. If flashlight clicking is a gameplay problem, like with messing up audio or something, then that should be fixed, if not then again a personal problem.

Using Exploits?.....I got nothing honestly, if your refering to stuff like "mother's dwelling ledge" okay I understand that is bad. so yeah those who use those exploits I would consider toxic, and bad game design on the devs part.

T-bagging is basically taunting the Killer, saying "Ha ha, you can't get me", especially since it's usually done after vaulting or dropping a pallet in a Killer's face. Flashlight clicking is not something I've encountered too much, but when I did, the person's username literally said they were toxic, so.

Not dying tends to annoy Killers.

As someone that plays both sides, here's what I consider to be toxic and/or scummy in nature (mostly in game actions, but a few are pre/post-game lobby things):

• T-bagging. As others have said, there's no good reason for it, other than to be rude. If you really want to show your superiority? Do something productive, or use one of the other emotes. One survivor I was playing at as the huntress actually did that really well: I aimed a hatchet at her, she waited until I threw it, stopped working on the generator, then went back to the generator and worked on it for a few more seconds until I got closer. Far better in every way (of even ticking me off a bit, but props, that was ballsy and impressive) than a quick few t-bags before running.

• Hook farming other survivors. There's been a whole other thread on it, but in my opinion, hook farming other survivors is more or less the worst. As a killer, of course I'm going to go after the unhooked target (unless you are also wounded, and/or I'm running "make your choice"....which I don't have. Yet.), since it's the objectively better move. Does it feel good for anyone except the troll though? No.

• Abusing DC (and hook suicide, but to a much lesser degree). This one personally ticks me off. Most of the time it's on the survivor side, both because of raw numbers, and because players that play killers usually won't DC on purpose because, hey, they're the host. Or at least I figure that's the mindset (It's mine, more or less). Survivors don't care as much. I won't get into it as much, but I've had many survivors abuse the DC mechanics for varying reasons. To protect an ultra rare (very rare? I don't remember. Either way..) item and addons, because they got caught first, or to simply deny the killer points. That last one (especially combined with the fact that they then were taunting me in the post-game lobby) really gets me, because there's no real reason for it, other than to piss someone else off. Killers don't DC as often, but especially if we survivors burnt offerings? Very rude. Even if you don't like the map, don't DC. Just in general, don't DC, eh? AC is far better. That was a bad electricity pun, please excuse me, I've been writing this for a while now.

• Being Rude/etc in the pre/post game lobby. Others have covered this enough, really. Combine it with a deliberate DC, and taunting someone in the post game lobby....that's just rude.

• Waiting at the gate. You know what I mean. Survivors open the gate, and stand there t-bagging, waiting for the killer to come. No purpose other than to be rude. Just leave, honestly. Or go back in and try and find an item, I've done that a few times. Or the hatch. I mean, if you've won to such a degree you're wanting to t-bag, just end the game. Like other's have said, it isn't like killers have a concede button.

• Sandbagging fellow survivors. Just because you're a solo player, and you don't think "this is a team game" doesn't mean you should go out of your way to ruin someone else's day. Actually, that's most of this list, now that I think about it.

That's about it, at the moment. Flashlight spam is annoying, but not the worst thing in the world (on the other hand, I have speakers because I don't have headphones at the moment. Might be worse for headphone users). Now, that's not to say that's everything that irritates me in the game...no, that list is much longer. But those come from game mechanics, being outplayed, etc. Those are fine, at the end of the day. Things I need to work around, and simply get better at the game. But the list above? Those are things that, in my opinion, you should just outright not see.

At the end of the day, this is a game. And games, as the name implies, should be fun. The game itself is fun. The majority (by a small percentage) of the community is fun to play with/against. But the items above? I doubt anyone would be able to say truthfully that they're fun.

(EDIT: formatting)

Any survivor with perks who doesn't run in straight lines.

@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@Chrona said:
As someone that plays both sides, here's what I consider to be toxic and/or scummy in nature (mostly in game actions, but a few are pre/post-game lobby things):

• T-bagging. As others have said, there's no good reason for it, other than to be rude. If you really want to show your superiority? Do something productive, or use one of the other emotes. One survivor I was playing at as the huntress actually did that really well: I aimed a hatchet at her, she waited until I threw it, stopped working on the generator, then went back to the generator and worked on it for a few more seconds until I got closer. Far better in every way (of even ticking me off a bit, but props, that was ballsy and impressive) than a quick few t-bags before running.

• Hook farming other survivors. There's been a whole other thread on it, but in my opinion, hook farming other survivors is more or less the worst. As a killer, of course I'm going to go after the unhooked target (unless you are also wounded, and/or I'm running "make your choice"....which I don't have. Yet.), since it's the objectively better move. Does it feel good for anyone except the troll though? No.

• Abusing DC (and hook suicide, but to a much lesser degree). This one personally ticks me off. Most of the time it's on the survivor side, both because of raw numbers, and because players that play killers usually won't DC on purpose because, hey, they're the host. Or at least I figure that's the mindset (It's mine, more or less). Survivors don't care as much. I won't get into it as much, but I've had many survivors abuse the DC mechanics for varying reasons. To protect an ultra rare (very rare? I don't remember. Either way..) item and addons, because they got caught first, or to simply deny the killer points. That last one (especially combined with the fact that they then were taunting me in the post-game lobby) really gets me, because there's no real reason for it, other than to piss someone else off. Killers don't DC as often, but especially if we survivors burnt offerings? Very rude. Even if you don't like the map, don't DC. Just in general, don't DC, eh? AC is far better. That was a bad electricity pun, please excuse me, I've been writing this for a while now.

• Being Rude/etc in the pre/post game lobby. Others have covered this enough, really. Combine it with a deliberate DC, and taunting someone in the post game lobby....that's just rude.

• Waiting at the gate. You know what I mean. Survivors open the gate, and stand there t-bagging, waiting for the killer to come. No purpose other than to be rude. Just leave, honestly. Or go back in and try and find an item, I've done that a few times. Or the hatch. I mean, if you've won to such a degree you're wanting to t-bag, just end the game. Like other's have said, it isn't like killers have a concede button.

• Sandbagging fellow survivors. Just because you're a solo player, and you don't think "this is a team game" doesn't mean you should go out of your way to ruin someone else's day. Actually, that's most of this list, now that I think about it.

That's about it, at the moment. Flashlight spam is annoying, but not the worst thing in the world (on the other hand, I have speakers because I don't have headphones at the moment. Might be worse for headphone users). Now, that's not to say that's everything that irritates me in the game...no, that list is much longer. But those come from game mechanics, being outplayed, etc. Those are fine, at the end of the day. Things I need to work around, and simply get better at the game. But the list above? Those are things that, in my opinion, you should just outright not see.

At the end of the day, this is a game. And games, as the name implies, should be fun. The game itself is fun. The majority (by a small percentage) of the community is fun to play with/against. But the items above? I doubt anyone would be able to say truthfully that they're fun.

(EDIT: formatting)

nothing is as bad as overwatch though

Except Overwatch's community is better than DBD's now. At least in game.

• Disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding [posting repetitive text].

• Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a BHVR Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a BHVR Service for the enjoyment of all its users." (https://www.bhvr.com/behaviour-eula/)

@JoannaVO said:

@Peasant said:
Luckily BHVR's EULA declares toxicity as bannable:

", While participating in the Game, you also agree to comply with certain rules of conduct that govern your use of the Game (“Rules of Conduct”), for example, you may not:

• Disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding [posting repetitive text].

• Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a BHVR Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a BHVR Service for the enjoyment of all its users." (https://www.bhvr.com/behaviour-eula/)

Griefing is bannable yeah. Most people show their toxicity in a way that they are practically not breaking any rule, but they know their behavior is completely unnecessary and not appreciated.

I mean, if somebody stuns me then blinds me while teabagging repeatedly for the majority of a match isn't that "interfering with my ability to enjoy a BHVR service?"

JoannaVO said:

@Peasant said:

@JoannaVO said:

@Peasant said:
Luckily BHVR's EULA declares toxicity as bannable:

", While participating in the Game, you also agree to comply with certain rules of conduct that govern your use of the Game (“Rules of Conduct”), for example, you may not:

• Disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding [posting repetitive text].

• Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a BHVR Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a BHVR Service for the enjoyment of all its users." (https://www.bhvr.com/behaviour-eula/)

Griefing is bannable yeah. Most people show their toxicity in a way that they are practically not breaking any rule, but they know their behavior is completely unnecessary and not appreciated.

I mean, if somebody stuns me then blinds me while teabagging repeatedly for the majority of a match isn't that "interfering with my ability to enjoy a BHVR service?"

I honestly doubt, flashlights have the purpose to blind somebody and I dont think pressing CTRL will be seen as griefing though we know they don't have any positive meanings with doing so. I think they mean actions like purposely sandbagging/blocking and teaming up with a killer which makes it practically impossible to play the game the way it was meant to be played

Everything listed below is pure toxic cancer.
How I define toxic survivor:
1) T-bagging the killer: after pallet drop, at exit gates, at window etc.
2) Fast FS clickers.
3) Finger-pointing at killer: after pallet drop, at exit gates, at window etc.
4) Trying to open locker (pointing at it) where teammate hiding in front of killer.
5) Heal teammate to 99%.
6) T-bag hooked teammate.
7) "Trade" teammate from hook for points.
8) T-bag killer with object of obsession.
9) Always follow Trapper to disarm his traps.
9.5) Always follow Trapper to disarm his traps with object of obsession.
10) Sandbagging/bodyblocking other survivors.
11) Saying OchiDO is not toxic, lol.

How I define toxic killer:
1) Insidious Leatherface.
1.5) Insidious Leatherface at basement.
2) Invisible Wraith camp.
2.5) Invisible Wraith blocking basement entrance where survivor hooked.
3) Facecamping Doctor shocking other survs, who trying to unhook.
4) One-tap Myers camp.
5) Nurse with NOED and Insidious behind closed gates.
6) Stealth Pig camp.
7) Pig t-bag.
8) Trapper (Hag) t-bag by placing trap near hooked survivor and then cancelling it.
9) Invisible boy bing-bonging infront of hooked survivor.

@Rattman said:
Everything listed below is pure toxic cancer.
How I define toxic survivor:
9) Always follow Trapper to disarm his traps.
9.5) Always follow Trapper to disarm his traps with object of obsession.
11) Saying OchiDO is not toxic, lol.

How I define toxic killer:
1) Insidious Leatherface.
1.5) Insidious Leatherface at basement.
2) Invisible Wraith camp.
2.5) Invisible Wraith blocking basement entrance where survivor hooked.
3) Facecamping Doctor shocking other survs, who trying to unhook.
4) One-tap Myers camp.
5) Nurse with NOED and Insidious behind closed gates.
6) Stealth Pig camp.
9) Invisible boy bing-bonging infront of hooked survivor.

Snipped for relevancy.
First of all, 9 and 9.5 would more or less be viable tactics (and also probably backfire now with his increased notification). Secondly, OchiDO? Could I get an explanation?

As far as killers...just seems like you don't like camping. Especially stealthy camping. Unfortunately for you, the devs have stated that they are more than ok with this. Also....what else would the point of insidious be? As far as wraith ringing his bell....as few ways as the survivors have to communicate with the killer, the killer has even fewer. But fair enough, I guess there isn't many ways to interpret that specific interaction

@iceman2kx said:
The second thing is when people body block hooks, especially if my dying survivor struggles free. It's because I don't believe this is a legit tactic and they are using bad game mechanics to gain an advantage. This one really ticks me off and I'll face camp survivors for this.

snipped for relevancy again.
It is a viable strategy, as far as I can see, again, the devs are fine with it. Bodyblocking is only really a problem if it disrupts the game: the killer or survivor trapping someone where they can no longer move (like a survivor blocking another survivor in a corner, etc) This one is annoying, but a viable and legit strategy. And if you don't like it? Hit them. They'll get out of the way, I promise (or you hit them again and down them)

@Chrona said:
Snipped for relevancy.
First of all, 9 and 9.5 would more or less be viable tactics (and also probably backfire now with his increased notification). Secondly, OchiDO? Could I get an explanation?

Its viable tactic, but the main word here was ALWAYS. Like, you don't even do gens and aim for trolling or toxic play.
OchiDO - one of the most toxic players in DbD community, IMHO. He is now hardware banned from game, I believe. Like, everything listed above from survivor was at some point in his YT videos.

As far as killers...just seems like you don't like camping. Especially stealthy camping. Unfortunately for you, the devs have stated that they are more than ok with this. Also....what else would the point of insidious be? As far as wraith ringing his bell....as few ways as the survivors have to communicate with the killer, the killer has even fewer. But fair enough, I guess there isn't many ways to interpret that specific interaction

Yeah, I admit that camping is legit strategy. This doesn't make it less toxic. I mean, if you build all your strategy for entire match around camping - its... wrong, y'know? This game meant to be fun for both sides, as Tru3Ta1ent says. There are many ways to win the game and these ones are the dirtiest ones.

TheLegendDyl4n1 said:

@Peasant said:

@JoannaVO said:

@Peasant said:
Luckily BHVR's EULA declares toxicity as bannable:

", While participating in the Game, you also agree to comply with certain rules of conduct that govern your use of the Game (“Rules of Conduct”), for example, you may not:

• Disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding [posting repetitive text].

• Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy playing a BHVR Service or take actions that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide a BHVR Service for the enjoyment of all its users." (https://www.bhvr.com/behaviour-eula/)

Griefing is bannable yeah. Most people show their toxicity in a way that they are practically not breaking any rule, but they know their behavior is completely unnecessary and not appreciated.

I mean, if somebody stuns me then blinds me while teabagging repeatedly for the majority of a match isn't that "interfering with my ability to enjoy a BHVR service?"

why do you think Ochido got hardware banned?

https://youtu.be/N6zwCTJDLK8

Teabaging and flashlight clicking.

@Rattman Lmao this one is good, I like how you specified when tbagging and pointing and stuff are toxic. Some idiots forget that there are people out there who will do mean things just to get attention but not have mean meanings behind it, they just want to see if the killer is sensitive enough to fall for it. It's called survival.

As a survivor I will do any of those things besides 11 if. The survivor is a selfish team exposing wanker and I'm trying to get the killer to get them instead of me. If I want the killer to stay on me and not give up chase to buy time for others.

For killer with the new EGC you need to add Insidious camping/sluggiing spirit who only moves to block people from leaving the trial through gates or hatch.