Again you didn't listen to our feedback.
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I think you misspelled "survivors".
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Change your name to "ihatekillers" or "survivor main" then the devs will surely listen to everything you say and even offer you a cup of ☕️...
*sigh*
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Most of the community only plays one side, survivors, and they usually want there side stronger than the other, the most recent killer buff I remember right is the pallet vacuum removal, thats it, after that we got hit with several things, like the legion "rework", they became weaker than before, and franks mixtape is (In my opinion) no longer a VR add-on, and more like a Rare add-on
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than devs needs to do asymetrical things to the game too , like... downgrading it to old dbd ... :D
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Let's bring back instablinds and pallet vacuums
Great idea
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They don't listen to anything, they nerfed the fatigue add-ons, we cried for them to remove those nerfs, they didn't, we complained so much about the vaulting speed, they didnt do #########, we complained about the miss = fatigue, nothing, Frank's and study are the most useless very rare add-ons in this game, even almost as much as vanity mirror, legion is really low tier right now, and they most likely will not buff him in a while, we complained about pig changes, at least they reverted the terror radius pause, but end game pig is dead now, they didn't listen.
Behavior devs, you are incompetent and you can't balance, it's either dead nerf or nothing with you, listen to us, listen to those with 1.5k+ hours, we play the game more than you ever did, we know the game more than you, listen to us, instead of listening to rank 20 noobs like yourselves.
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He's "OP" because survivors have to actually spend time doing things other than generators. Heaven forbid you don't get at least two generators completed within the first 2 minutes of the match.
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@Peanits why don't the team do a test with top players to see what is broken and what is not. I mean create KYF lobby you spectate then invite 5 rank 1 players and see what map need fixing (crotus prenn , AH wretched shop), killers that need buff ( Clown need more pressure with his bottle , trapper lose too many time putting his trap + are dead hardable and sabotable , Plague need action penalty when sick etc...).
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Bro, this is a BLATANT LIE! I mean come on man we aren't stupid.
Freddy was released. Killers in high ranks from 8-1 knew he wasn't good. Survivors of the same rank AGREED he wasn't strong at all! You DESTROYED him one week after release to please brand new players playing on FREE WEEKEND!
Plague PTB. Killers wanted instant heal on fountain remove. Survivors complained she could hold purge and infect them too easily. Devs not only ignore every killer request, you slow her down and give in to survivors demands. Thanataphobia nerfed... For no reason!
Legion funeral planned with PTB. Killers accept a change is coming, BUT give feedback regarding Cold dirt nerf, Vaults nerf, SUPER INCREDIBLE BT BUFF, ETC. What do you do? Bring every feature live killing Remember Me & Nerf Pig on the process.
MoM caused riot before release. Released ANYWAYS and buffed.
Where the hell do you listen to killers here? SERIOUSLY, just SAY Survivors bring in the money so you want them happy! We will accept that VS this crap you're feeding us!
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"The devs fixed Legion, fixed his bugs and exploits, fixed moonwalking and made him counterable? I'm quitting this game forever. The devs are obviously survivor-sided."
*sigh*
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Made him loopable. His counters still havnt changed. Run in separate directions holy ######### people are dense.
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Do you weigh feedback differently based on who it's coming from? That's what it often feels like if we don't want to outright cry out "selective feedback"
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Dear lord people, the sky isn’t falling.
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The devs did the right thing and listened to the majority and not a loud minority. Legion got what they deserved and needed. Happy days.
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When game compositions consist of 80% of one side and 20% of another, maybe they should listen to them equally instead of sheer volume. Whole principle granted by state's rights in the US, so the minority isn't subjected solely to the whim of the majority.
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Stop post baiting. Everyone like the changes (Not the one's which abused Legion). Devs did right now a big step to make the Game better.
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Most people play both.
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I'd agree if you didn't just make those bull crap stats up.
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How do I make them up exactly? 100% of the game consists of 5 people, 4 (80%) are survivors, the remainder 1 (20%) is the killer. Then there comes variables such as people playing both sides. We have plenty of survivor mains, so that weighs that end of the scale, we have killer mains, which is naturally disproportionate to the amount of survivors needed at any given time, so that weighs that end, then you have survivors that dabble with killer on the side when they're bored but still primarily play survivor, which again, read the aforementioned. There is very little complex thought involved in this and I would love for aggregated data to become available that had these numbers just for the sake of proving a point. BHVR's stats team has shown that they have a hard time showing accurate aggregated data in general, so I'm not holding my breath
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Your stats are bull crap because they ain't weighing their feedback on how many are in a match. Its how many gave feedback to the ptb. You don't listen to the few, you listen to the many. That's the only way it works, fam.
You're in the minority. Gotta live with that.
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Have you been through the ptb forums? Through reddit? Obviously not, even surv mains were saying some of thechanges were excessive. We dont want moonwalk back we want balance. We dont want to be another standard w+m1 bullshit wraith freddy hybrid
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And you're clearly missing the point that the minority should receive equal consideration when paired with the majority, otherwise you can (and do) end up with a game that highly favors whichever side the current majority is on. Since, as I said before, the game is, by design, predisposed to having a majority of victims and a minority of oppressors. Naturally, victims want to win over their oppressors and vice verse, and since there are, again, by design, more victims than oppressors, they're naturally going to hold the majority. Your logic is what causes communities to fall apart, majority rule historically fails more than it has ever succeeded
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That's nice. All you PTB and reddit people fill out the feedback forms? Yep? Then you're still the minority.
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Heh yup that's what would be a failure. Listening to the few instead of the many. That's how you keep your game going. Don't listen to the majority. Go back to denial, fam. Reality is too harsh for you here.
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Man you think we didnt? Still did but hey guess what. Game is asymmetric so majority (survivors) should as awhole be as strong as minority(killers) not a 1 for 1 balance a 4 for 1. But your ignorant single minded viewpoint wont seethis.causethen you couldn't loop everykiller indefinitely right?
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>Being this literally black and white
I can't possibly explain this any other way, nor will I put any further effort after this. We're going to create a small pool of 5 killers, which each require 4 survivors each. So, we have a room with 5 killers and 20 survivors, playing with rules that say those survivors are individually considerably weaker than killers. They split off into groups and many start coming to a consensus as to how they like certain killers and how killers feel about certain survivors. 5 killers provide their feedback, 20 survivors provide theirs, and by your logic, the survivors should not only trounce upon the feedback of those 5 but to also dictate how those 5 killers get to play killer from that point forward. This cycle continues indefinitely throughout the life of the game or until there is a majority/minority shift, which is statistically unlikely given the design of the game. This is, by your logic, okay and develops good gameplay. This has nothing to do about denial, it has everything to do with your flawed logic on what makes fair play, the majority doesn't always know what's best, they simply know what's best for them, even if it's at the detriment to minorities, and well....crack open a history book or even flick on the news if you want to see the efficacy of that
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I know you did, fam. Everyone here whining that they didn't get listened to did a feedback form. But you poor souls don't get that they read it and didn't listen to ya because in the end you're minority. Only stupid people listen to the minority on feedback instead of the majority.
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You got the masters degree in flawed logic here, fam. You don't listen to the few you listen to the many. Numbers talk. We're not in a room with 5 killers and 20 survivors. They're in a room with a huge ass pile of feedback forms and most of them approving the changes we got. Your side lost because you're minority. That's the only truth there is and that matters.
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Yo chu on ps4 because I got titanfall2 would love to have a teammate to chat to in games
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You play a game that needs 1 killer and 4 survivors in order to play it. If you only listen to the other side then the other side will just leave. Tell me what will happen if 120 survivors stop play the game, 30 killers will wait longer in order to find a game now what will happen if 120 killers stop play the game, 480 survivors will have to wait longer for a game. The thing is if you don't value the opinion of one of the two sides that side will just stop playing the game.
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you know its funny that killers are crying, during the original ptb before he was released survivors complained about how the deep wound timer could be spoofed and none of you killers that are crying right now said hey lets get this fixed. survivors was met with criticism of get good and crap talk like that. now fast forward six months the problem was so glaring they had to listen to survivors to get it fixed it was killing the game the way he was. killers had no intention of trying to resolve the problem before Legion got released. so by not working with survivors to resolve the issue in the original ptb you guys literally gave up your chance to shape it to something that was good for all. you want to thank some one for the nerf thank the legions who spoofed the chase mechanic. keep crying killers love seeing the salt it is of your own doing.
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Just bought MK11, great game too, has blood and u can also kill people, what are u waiting for? :)
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really the games decline started when they started listening to killers crying about exhaustion perks, so they changed them. then killers started crying about healing speeds... so they changed them... then they released Legion with his exploitable chase mechanics. after survivors said hey this is broken during the original PTB. 6 months later they changed Legion. the Devs have been catering to killers this whole last year. The game has declined in population the more and more they keep listening to the killers. its about time they start to listen to survivors for once maybe we can get this game back to a healthy game population and growing some more, instead of watching it die a very slow death.
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Dont u want to understand that they killed Legion? I know lots of people played very toxic with him, but now, even that 30% of the people who played him as the way he was meant to be played cant use it without getting bored and deranking, thats what we are trying to say
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In the words of a Dev if u want to win play nurse or Billy maybe every killer should do just that just saying...
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Wow you have a terrible memory. Legion was terrible in his PTB because Deep Wounds stopped while mending. It was only after that was changed did moonwalking matter.
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He can still be great at high ranks against potatoes but, his base fatigue is too high at least they have fixed the pallet penalty while not in frenzy. Devs is scared to make killers viable they want a fun game but, how is it fun when you lose each game because a killer is not viable.
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yes it stopped while mending, but it also was able to be cheesed by moonwalking in the ptb and that was the biggest issue that was a lot of the reason he got nerfed this time. even in the ptb even if you stopped to mend if the killer kept pressure up he could run the timer down by not looking at you and keep you moving so you could not mend, hence the problem in the PTB was prevalent then and was more prevalent after they changed the mend. So it would appear that you have a terrible memory.
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I am ok with the changes to legion but his add-ons that only activate after hitting a survivor in frenzy that already has deep wounds is bs. The timer is only 60 seconds and you already waste time just applying the affect. What's funny is that the devs and community manager said hitting a survivor with dp in frenzy was a bad idea Because it has no benefits yet we have add-ons that need you to do so and it only lasts 60 seconds. That's short enough for it to go away after you get unhooked.
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This game DESPERATELY needs tutorials in order to teach people how to chase.
The amount of unreasonable bitching about M1 killers is disgusting.
And I'm also willing to bet my ass that 80% of the people complaining aren't even at a rank where tiers matter too much.
You're just upset you can no longer win chases with no counterplay, that's all.
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I dislike those addons too. I think that they could apply on first FF hit, since it's just 60 seconds.
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Easy, if killers win, 4 people lose, if killers lose, only 1 person loses, that's why making killers viable is scary and set their metric to a 50% kill rate, which spends most of its time straddling <=50% instead of going over
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This is so true. Chasing as a 115 killer isn't that hard. If you have a problem with loops just run Enduring/Spirit Fury and 4head your way through pallets. Very few survivors are actually good in a chase.
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T H I S
and they won't play perfect all the time. And people still respect pallets because... ?
I feel like the problem is time management too. People don't know when to cut their losses, cash in on the pallets they got rid off and apply pressure someone else. Knowing not to commit to a chase in an overly safe spot is important, because eventually survivors will have to venture unsafe areas.
People are just impatient.
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How was the PTB Legion pressuring your timer by looking away if it stopped while you were mending? @EqMonkVeeshan
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We know how to chase as a 115% killer, that's not the issue,the issue is that it's boring.
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You telling me that a garbage killer with broken mechanics got changed to just being garbage with no broken mechanics?
Good. Maybe he'll get some buffs. After all his base power was so ######### stupid to begin with.
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he could keep you moving by being within chase distance while looking away keeping the timer as you ran going down while being chased. aka the killer could moonwalk you to death. the mend not stopping while mending just made this tactic far easier to do and more and more exploited it. it is pretty obvious that you did not exploit the chase mechanic, so i say awesome for playing him in a fair manner. but alas others exploited it and that lead to these changes.
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I don't think killers are upset with the removal of the trash tactics & exploits. If they are then yeah "git gud". I think what most find so arguably unpleasant is the Dev's didn't replace any of those with suggested valid & fair ones. Leaving legion with a vary base style of play and limiting power use & its consequences on targets.
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