This is honestly exhausting. So I’m gunna come out and say it to the whole community.
This is a message taken from my inbox. Ended up in a match against them and they dc’d along with one other and the third SOH’d almost immediately. The fourth tried their best to escape.
(As a side note regarding the screenshots, I’m perfectly with the way deep wounds currently works, I am not fine, however, with legion’s feral frenzy vault speeds. But I used that argument to show just how overnerfed he was.)
I get messages like these almost every other match. Survivors seem to think every time they die that they died to something cheap, or the killer had no skill. Don’t get me wrong, I love salt just as much as @Lowbei (RIP) but there comes a certain point where blatant disregard for the killer is made. I play honorably and quite mercifully, but when people say things like this to me it gets me all fired up.
I know there are players out there who will attack others regardless of the role they are playing at that time, but I’m just trying to emphasize my point here. There’s hostility and this sort of biased resentment for anyone you play against due to the fear of being targeted by toxicity for the killers, and the fear of a killer using really bland and unethical methods to rob someone of their match as a survivor.
This sort of behavior is shared both in and out of the game, and it’s just so exhausting to deal with.
I really wish the forums were more productive but it feels like a free for all and it’s really disappointing to see. I’ve been on the forums for nearly a year now, this is just my experience from trying to genuinely help the game.
I would like to ask the community here on the forums to take a step back and look at things from a gameplay perspective, instead of how it makes you feel. A lot of people on the forums argue with their feelings with little to no justification for why they think the way they do. “MoM is balanced” is not a good argument, “Legion is trash” is not a good argument, “Flashlights should be deleted” is not a good argument.
These are low effort, low motivation responses, and they are demoralizing for the more committed and ambitious users who flesh out detailed feedback and replies.
Please people, we’re all in the same boat here and there’s seriously no reason to waste time arguing and derailing conversations. Use the logic of gameplay, hear each other out, and if you disagree, please explain why. Thread author’s cannot refine their feedback if they don’t have sufficient feedback. And mass downvoting and disrespect with no real feedback is just so demotivating and feels like you’ve wasted your time.
The reason why it feels like the devs aren’t listening as much as they should is because there really isn’t much else to listen to.
Don’t get me wrong, a lot of you post really good threads that are actually helpful to the game’s health and beneficial to future game-logic changes, but there’s also a lot of unhelpful users and posts about “I’m quitting because XYZ” that just start arguments and lower forum morale. Making everyone bitter and especially irritable, with very low tolerance for differing opinions.
I put so much time and effort into my feedback posts, brainstorming for hours, days, and in one case, weeks, and while there are quite a few of you that give it a chance, and help me learn where the middle ground is, there are also people who for some reason, made an account for the forums, where you are meant to do a lot of reading, only to have such simple dismissive replies and just repulsive attitude overall, not even reading a majority of a post that’s longer than a paragraph. Brushing me off and doing what they can to bury the feedback so devs don’t see it.
This has spanned from my posts being mass reported to silent downvotes and LOL’s. No one should ever feel hesitant to post something on the forums, but I am because of this behavior that’s been running rampant ever since I first came here. And I feel it’s only gotten worse.
I’m not saying I am the only one who puts this much effort into their feedback, but a lot of people are so quick to dismiss others here that the community is never happy with anything, and constantly at war. The devs have a much harder time finding a middle ground as a result.
This is the only way we can give devs feedback on the game, and there’s no damn reason to attack other users for a suggestion or idea. You can debate and disagree, but keep your cool while you do it. Please, I want this game to get better and we can get there so much faster if we work TOGETHER.
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People see Legion, see the DW bar, and get salty af and just inst-dc because "fk Legion".
Is new Legion good? No. Do they have actual counterplay? Yes. But do people care? No. The hate for Legion still exists and most people act like they weren't even changed AT ALL.
I don;t ever trash talk in game, and I avoid "playing" toxic as much as possible. For example: I mainly only play Survivor and I never, ever, teabag the Killer.
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People like that are not going to listen. All we can do is report them so the mods can purge them from the game.
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@DarkWolf2000 Legion's power at base is flawed and unfair. You get free first hits and can easily tunnel, which most Legion players seem to do.
Having fast movement speed, wallhacks, and a bleed-out bar isn't fun or fair.
The only thing they did to Legion in the last update was remove his exploits, and change the rest of his kit accordingly.
@Orion you think because someone doesn't like the playstyle of a certain character that they should be banned?
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First of all:
"My grandmother can blow out her hip vaulting a picket fence and still be faster than Legion"
Dude, you have to put that in your grave.
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There's always going to be hate, no matter what you do. I just laugh at them when they start with the ######### excuses.
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I'm so sad people like this are in this community. I can't wait for the devs to put in the new servers so we can at least get rid of a few of the dcers, if the devs even do anything about them. I'm sure they will :)
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It's true that killer don't need skill to kill one survivor (not 4, 1). And when someone talk to you could be this killed survivor. When killers ask for balance they're talking about 4k. Kill 1 survivor is so easy, an if you camper make 2 or 3 is for sure. I agree that make 4k and sometimes 3k not playing toxic is very difficult with a lot of killers.
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I’m gunna keep preaching about my grandmother’s parkour skills to everyone that’s never heard it until I get a point across. It’s catchy.
I do ignore these people normally, but recently it’s gotten to a point where enough is enough.
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I think people who willingly ruin other people's games should be banned.
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His kit is unfair? When was the last time you were downed by deep wounds, and when was the last time a legion was actually able to tunnel you?
You do realize he can no longer see scratch marks or blood in frenzy? Using it to catch up to survivors is a terrible idea and if they’re near a jungle gym or enough trees then forget it.
BHVR is a game development company, they went to school for and proved their capabilities as game developers. They are all certified. Now of course I’m not dismissing what you’re saying, but my point is it’s not so black and white as “it’s balanced” or “it’s unbalanced”
Legion was fair and balanced when he wasn’t being exploited. And that is why not everything in his kit needed to be nerfed. When using frenzy to simply distribute damage to put some pressure on survivors and give you some breathing room, and nothing else, he was fine until people figured out that he could repeatedly use frenzy to down people, as well as moonwalk, which weren’t intended to be as effective as they were, and moonwalking not even meant to exist.
He was flawed, and almost all the changes I appreciate, but messing with his parkour? No no. That’s just ruins who he is.
Legion needs a feral frenzy frenzy speed buff for vaulting, that’s all he needs and the rest I can live with, slower vaulting speeds I assure you have no reason to be slower when the stun time was increased and deepwounds was made a very passive and rather low impacting power.
Wall hacks? It’s only within a certain radius, and with the slower frenzy running speed, you aren’t guaranteed to get hit. He still has to choose which of the three he wants to go after, and then he has to actually get there in time. Plus if you can get him to miss, he’s stunned for quite a while.
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I feel you, I’ve gotten more dcs with new legion than old legion. Although I love the legion change so many others are set on dcing ‘cause X killer is unfair.
On topic with dcs today I went for adept Tapp against a Spirit all four of us did the gens (with ruin up) and she dced. No bloodpoints for anyone and no achievement for me.
I made a thread with an idea on how to nerf MoM and it was mostly ignored. Constructive threads die quickly it seems.
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You call out Survivor side as no skill but want more civil conversation? You are doing it wrong.
That being said, I don't believe I ever D/C'd against Legion. I liked playing Old Legion, facing him was a mixed bag. I did find it interesting the person they choose to play reflected on their play style typically. Susie was always the one exploiting moon walking and tunneling, the one that was basically the face of what people hated about Legion. Frank was always the chill one that typically would spare someone if D/C's happened and would stab random trees. And Joey was the try hard even in a 1 man match, but he didn't cheese nearly as hard as Susie. Julie... who cares about her.
New Legion? I played him one round and didn't enjoy it at all. Playing Killer has gotten easier and easier as time has went on. But playing New Legion felt punishing and it was an easy 4 Escape for the Survivors. I felt punished for using my power. Why he needs a Nurse's stun after every sprint he does is crazy. Nurse should explode and Hillbilly should collapse from exhaustion if Legion's power really needs a stun and blind effect to it. I don't like his current state.
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"Its overpowered and skilless because it can vault pallets and windows"
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His power isnt useless he just a killer that you cant be trigger happy with his power no more or tunnel a person till they go down lol but i do agree as i play survivor and killer usualy ppl think its cheap but there are times where its bs like camped by leather face holding his chainsaw in the basement lol
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His power only being helpful for the first hit isn't really good though. Imagine if Nurse can't down people with a Blink hit or Huntress can't down people with hatchets... he's a very limited Killer now where his power serves no function or threat to injured Survivors.
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I actually quite enjoy New legion. He has counter-play in the 1V1 department, and although it may seem like he gets a "free hit", its no different from many other killers and its never the hit that puts you in the dying state. As someone that played alot of Freddy, i was quite use to getting in multiple "Free hits" on survivors right as they were finished with the dream transition for example. While Legion's "wall hacks" might be annoying to play against if your a stealth player, its right there next to the Doctor's ability to make you scream and give away your hiding spot, or illusions that stare at you and give away your position.
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Am I one of them? I usually try to give proof?
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People can't accept the game for what it is.
Each side want to win and while a good portion care about balance the others just see it from the side they want to play which isn't good for the game.
This is why the forum is filled with posts regarding balance but most specifying a certain and scream about nerf even if its a logical change.
That is when you read them and you see it's not actually about balance but keeping or making their side stronger.
It's a game that should be fun for both sides nothing more.
The balance the devs want is 2 die 2 escape and some mechanics maybe tedious but it's the game.
The problem I see is most think they know what is best but in reality they don't have a clue.
The best we can do is give feedback and maybe an idea now and again turns out to be good.
Too many call the devs trash as they don't get there way, thise are the ones on the community who I would bet are the most toxic in games as if they can't control themselves here I'd gather if someone does something they don't like in game they will also react badly.
Tbh this community is one of the worst I've seen in a long time of gaming, part of it i believe is due to how well the devs keep in contact direct as with a direct line of communication so some users feel if they shout they will be heard and get what they want.
I sometimes feel like they should just shut that down for a while like other game devs as they are damned if they do damned if they don't in a lot of cases.
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Why can't this community be like the Warframe community? They have it so nice there /;-;/
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What exactly would you report that guy for?
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I'm a PC Nurse, so I ruin peoples days everyday.
On top of that, I Leave as soon as the match is over.
No time for salt or GGs, don't care.
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Both sides take skill, the fact you both went out of each others way to win this pissing contest by saying -
"NAW! My side take moe skill because i have to hold M1! "
"NO MINE! Is Harder because im playing nerfed weaker killers and thats playing hard mode.."
This just shows how naive both of you are.
You shouldn't have had tried to prod at why they DC'd and what not and spared them. (Your friends)
I have ran into friends multiple times on DBD and had either survived because I was able to escape them OR they spared me due to DC's/ them being nice.
We're playing the same game here, let's try to make it fun for at least 15mins shall we?
(Bigger question, what about the players who only play nurse?)
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I only play Nurse on PC.
No other killer interests me on PC, I play Spirit on Console but that's it.
What's wrong with PC Nurse? What about OUR fun?
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Being an #########. Regardless, that's very tame in comparison to the usual vitriol.
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Both sides takes skill, Legion is 100 % fine how he is right now. When people say his powers are useless, his powers are there to split survivors up and by using feenzy you get a free hit on etch and singel survivor if the survivor 2 survivors decide to heal (chase another survivor hook them already got that map pressure and game is in your hand :P ) they waste alot of times so yeah he is still good if they dont heal repeat same strat again if nobody nearby just M1 survivor while not using freenzy if they havent healed.
He is fine nothing else honestly legion dont take mutch skilz you get free hits and jumps over pallets be happy lol.
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Indeed.
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Lmao people still DCing from Legion? Its like the stupidest thing you can do.
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Exactly, this is the reason why i call upon players who only play nurse.
What about the survivors fun?
Majority of nurse games for me are either
1-DC's
2-Suicides
3-Barely making it out with one other teammate.
Now i dont mind dying , it's just very annoying when as soon as 1 person leaves im just gonna leave as well.
Like whats the point in staying in a non full game?
(Especially if i dont wanna farm) Id rather find a new round with people who will stay INSTEAD of being found shortly after the first person who DC'd then downed in 15secs.
Every time i get into a game with a nurse someone on my team DC's and the killer expects me to stay. WHY? this is why there should be a system like dota2 where the first person to DC gets punished heavily and the others can leave or farm.
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The Warframe community have too many white knights and dont criticize the devs enough, i know it's off topic sorry lol
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Yeah you fight the good fight. Keep it up.
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So much this. The gore system has been bugged for two years and they haven’t done [REDACTED]
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Hey Mr. High horse nobility, don’t mean to pollute the air sir but responding to a punk doesn’t make you naive, it means you’re fine with debating.
Avoiding the issue is how things get worse.
anymore hilariously bad attempts at belittling for me to shoot down? My AA guns are loaded with logic, I hear that’s pretty bad for the planes you build out of the straws you grasp at.
And please, you’ve never said something when you’re mad? Of course survivor takes skill, it was them saying legion takes no skill that made me respond that way, because by that logic, if legion takes no skill, survivor sure as hell doesn’t. Which isn’t true. They both take skill, and it’s pretty clear that killer as of now takes the cake for most difficulty role to play at high ranks.
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Dude ######### are you on about?
Also big cringe on your AA guns part..
No one said to avoid the issue? Like what are you on?
I was simply stating they turned a conversation that started off kinda decent then it became a "My side takes more skill arguement" and at that point OP shouldve just stopped responding all the same.
And no, i stopped typing things when i'd get frustarted on DBD way back in 2016.
Also thanks for repeating what i said at the end of your message LUL
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Honestly dude.
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I love him in scary movie @DarkWo1f997
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@DarkWo1f997 got it!
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Dude, it’s DBD, people get on your nerves, and you should probably consider how mild and polite I was all things considered. I was making a point that if she believes legion takes no skill, than by her own logic survivor takes even less skill due to the ability to depend on teammates alone. Killers have to be thinking ahead to stand a chance.
Both sides have really high skill ceilings and it’s noticeable in red ranks especially. But the bottom line is that is was a ridiculous claim she made because legion’s power is disadvantageous to use now.
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