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Hot take: Nurse is beatable
The consensus around here seems to be that nurse is broken and unbeatable. It’s somewhat understandable, but I think people feel this way because she is different than other killers and most aren't used to dealing with her. While she can’t be looped like other killers, there are still mind games to be played, such as running back at her and most importantly, breaking her line of sight.
So my question is, why is she considered unbeatable?
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The majority of survivors only know how to loop... thats it.
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I main Nurse and in my own opinion, I think she is only considered broken because matchmaking is broken. When I am up in red ranks, players know how to use tactics like you mentioned, mind games etc, but when rank reset hits I get 4k's almost every other match. Once matchmaking ever gets fixed I think a lot of complaining will stop..
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Does stealth count?
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2 builds.
Omega Blinks and 5 Blinks
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Add ons are what break her imo
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Sorry,I dont understand what you mean.
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She's absolutely beatable... to a certain extent.
If you ever read my posts, I often vouch for the removal of every add-on that adds blinks to the base 2. Why? Simply because Nurse is good the way she is, you only have one chance to screw up which is perfectly fine.
Nurse becomes unbeatable when she starts having more than one chance to hit you. You just need 1 "Add one blink" add-on to tremendously reduce your chance of missing... that's where she becomes a problem and a nightmare to go against. Combine more than 2 blinks with long range or speed and it gets just wrong.
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^ This
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why? easy, watch this and you will know
and you will see its not the "only addons are op" bs posts, its the killer.
but like i said, we need a killer who can 4k easily, its healthy for the game so everything alright with nurse
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Because survivors rely too much on pallets and broken loops.
Can't do that with Nurse, you actually need to mindgame her to escape which not everyone can do. Everyone can loop m1 killers tho.
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Yes she is:
- Step 1: Suicide on hook to deny - "mUh FaCeRoLl PhArM".
- Step 2: If a Survivor rescues you before you can suicide on hook, punch them in the face and repeat step 1
- Step 3: Find a match with a fairly balanced Killer.
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Damn right Nurse is beatable. Ask @DocOctober what I do to Nurses.
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Nurse is easily beatable.
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A ridiculously skilled team can stomp her, like any other killer. With addons, she dominates.
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We shall not speak of those atrocities. Poor Sally...
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Heeeeeeey Woundboy I've played your nurse a few times on PS4. You're pretty decent but definitely still have room to grow and improve.
EasyPeasy has gotten so good with nurse that he doesn't even use add ons anymore. Or is at least trying to get to a point where he will never need them.
I'm starting to see more and more red rank nurses which is awesome! But you can definitely tell which ones don't have a full grasp on her yet. They fall for all the simple tricks and can't really control short quick blinks very well.
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Um....what.
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"nurse is beatable" yet other than doubling back while teleporting which is countered by extra blink add on's so that strategy is moot, no one can say how, and I'll give you a hint as to why folks - Because there is no way!
All this is of cause pointless because /echo chamber
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Nurse ignores the game mechanics so her potential comes down to the experience of the nurse player. A god-nurse who plays at 100% of her potential will win against any survivors even without ruin simply because pallets, distance and windows don't affect her in a chase.
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Every time I see people say you can counter Nurse no one ever actually says how, they just say "DoNt LoOp"
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That's funny considering the very first post in this thread clearly says to counter her by breaking line of sight and doubling back.
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Okay so the Nurse blinks at the corner where LoS is lost, and uses her second blink to adjust to whatever direction you head. That's with no addons. Solid game plan.
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1. Nurse is by far the most common killer at red ranks, with experienced players picking her
2. Red rank survivors have a higher survival rate then everyone else
3. ???
4. Nurse OP
The devs themselves have said nurse is fine and no changes to her are going to be made in the foreseeable future and none of the data the devs give out shows nurse being OP.
Just people getting assblasted by nurse, that don't know what to do vs her being salty.
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Okay and what if the Nurse is actually not stupid and blinks at the corner where she loses LoS and uses her second blink to adjust, instead of doing what most Nurses do and try to blink directly on top of the survivor?
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Let me fix it for you . "Bad /baby/ nurse is beatable. I agree on that. I have fun playing vs not really that good nurse cause you can juke her and it is true many people don't know how to deal even with them. Here are 2 MAJOR problems though. You learn how to counter her only outside of the game. There are no inside the game guides who tells you to LoS her. And considering how many killers are already in game it is really hard to focus looking just for one on the internet. I think its gonna get even worse in the future with new players who have to learn how to beat 20+ killers on the fly ... gl with that. Second major problem - there are actually good nurses and they are NOT beatable - I am sorry but it is not even close. If you want to prove me otherwise join in queue with Zubatlel's Nurse and beat him and then post it here. Or you can just show us how you get 4k-ed in the first 3 minutes - that is okay too.
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It takes quite a few games to get very good with nurse. Most nurses are beatable and even the very good ones can be run around if you look behind you and run at her once she begins her blink.
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Yea, I am by no means saying I am the best with her and I can definitely improve.
A few games on YouTube doesn’t prove anything. As I said, I am not at my full potential with her and even I have had games where I demolished teams. I guarantee the nurses you are referencing have bad games
There’s still a mind game to that. Survivor can wait at the corner, go forward, or go back. Nurse still has to guess to some extent.
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I think base nurse is fine, though against a good nurse its very hard to survive (as she ignores basically everything in the game)
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Are there inside the game guides for looping and mind gaming? If so, the tutorial has definitely improved since I last checked it out.
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Its mostly in the Nurse's favor at that point, and even if she screws up, she can just try again in literally 3 seconds.
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Yea I mean she is the best killer. You still have viable options though. Every m1 killer will catch you eventually too, it just takes longer with them, to the point where the rest of the game is lost.
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Moonwalking is an unintentional mindgame you can pull against very good nurses. So with the skill of the nurse goes up so does the survivor.
Run towards an experienced nurse and moonwalk backwards 😏
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This does indeed work on players that cannot discern the direction objects move.
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You can’t mindgame people who don’t think XD
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Survivors have always refused to deviate from their toxic and abusive play style for three years now.
The Nurse was the first dlc killer, specifically designed to counter that play style in the expectation that survivors would git gud and adapt the way the play as much as killers do. Unsurprisingly, they didn't. The Pretty Gud Job gang put too much faith in them.
The Nurse is not the problem here. Survivors did totally fine against her after she was hit with the unjustified omega-nerf. It's kinda funny how survivors used the advices killers gave to them on how to beat the Nurse only after that.
Then they forgot everything and got worse at the game by leaning more and more on their luxury crutches (infinites, then pallet-loops). In the meantime, Nurse players adapted, they changed how they played the Nurse, inventing her play style as we know it today.
TL;DR In spite of dismissing every single complaint from killers by telling them to just GiT gUd and AdAPt, survivors never did such things themselves, and that's why they have so many problems when they face a good Nurse.
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People who complain that a game against the Nurse is mostly dictated by her, seem to forget that for every other killer the survivors dictate the game.
We have 1 instance were one side gets broken, and 14 other instances where the other side is broken. Which one needs to be fixed first? I know where I would start.
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Not going into the merit of her being unbeatable or not (especially because unbeatable is a pretty strong word), but the "survivors rely too much on loops" thing doesn't hold up.
If there was some magical, consistent counterplay against her in high level I'm pretty sure we'd see it being used all the time in red ranks and she wouldn't be used so much by players who can't climb with anything else.
I personally do not think she's balanced at the highest level and has nowhere near enough weaknesses to compensate for her strenghts. The fact that most killers are downright bad at red ranks makes her look even more absurd, because she's way better than most.
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My problem is: players who aren't even that good with her can still win more often than not at high ranks with her, and that shouldn't happen imo. Especially with a high ceiling killer.
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Nurse has always been beatable
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Isn’t that a contradiction? You have to be decent to play the nurse.
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I personally believe Nurse is beatable, but it definitely depends on her setup and the map involved.
Default Nurse is fair game because her power gives survivors enough wiggle room to react. As long as survivors manage their distance, and break line of sight when the Nurse misses a chain blink, they should not drop like flies.
To my knowledge, Nurse cannot chase after survivors with 100% accuracy all over the map. There are some areas that if caught in can get you killed really quick, but that applies to other killers as well. Or course, this all ties in with map design. I think all maps should have a minimum number of LOS breakers to facilitate mind gaming. Maps like Blood Lodge are hard to juke Nurses.
Lastly, Nurse does have problematic add ons. When you start combining these add ons, you drastically reduce a survivor's counter play. For instance, there's really nothing you can do against a 5 blink Nurse. She's going to get a hit.
This is why I believe stealth and mind gaming should be made a little stronger on some maps. Other maps need the opposite though (Lery's and Haddonfield). In addition to map design, toning down her add ons should put Nurse in a decent spot.
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Remember guys, Nurse has no counter and in case u counter a nurse then she is just trash and you got lucky *omegafacepalm*
The only issue is additional blink addons, this is removing a lot of skill to her and makes juking her really difficult, in open field impossible.
Range addons... Idk, I think it's okay as long as those really large maps exists. After reworking large maps to smaller maps MAYBE reducing the range of those addons is needed. But till then, only additional blinks need to be removed asap.
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Nurse Is beatable. I've beaten her many times.
She is also the easiest killer to Juke.
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If a good nurse blinks at the right spot, you can't do anything, specially with 3 blinks. That's how broken she is in good hands.
If the killer is not that good, of course it's beatable and mind gaming going back works.
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"Remember guys, Nurse has no counter and in case u counter a nurse then she is just trash and you got lucky *omegafacepalm*"
A nurse can't blink perfectly every single time, especially not with the 1st blink. In case she does THE SURVIVOR can't juke and doesn't use LOS blocks. Cuz with LOS blocks a nurse has to GUESS which opens mindgames and as long as u aren't predictable and are reading how she adapts to you it's going to be a long chase.
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If it's a good nurse and your a solo player then it's already over. I just wait under the hook nurse has no counter except hope the nurse player sucks. But new nurses are the easiest to beat
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Again, the Nurse doesn't have to guess anything. You just blink at the corner where you lose LoS, and use the second blink after rotating around to see if they either double backed or kept going. ######### ain't rocket science.
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statistically, the least amount of kills of all the killers on console.
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Against a very good Nurse, the best thing you can do is to be stealthy and try your best to not get found. If she wastes too much time not finding anybody, you have a chance if you get gens done fast enough.
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Yes, you do have to be decent do play the Nurse.
The gap between a decent Nurse and a good Nurse is still huge though, and if you're just decent you're still better than most killers at high ranks, no matter how good their players are.
Being hard doesn't justify being OP. That's basic game design/balance.
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