Where is the limit between keeping the game hostage or not?
Let's say I down a surv 4 times consecutively without hooks, just for fun/tunneling
is this keeping the game hostage? what if I do 20 times? where is the limit?
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If there is an end possible, it's not hostage.
You could drop and down them 100 times. It may be frowned on, but its not holding the game hostage as, eventually, they will die.
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well being in a far away corner downing/waking up a surv over and over seems keeping the game hostage for me
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Depends on how long it's dragged out.
Holding the game hostage usually is one of two things:
1. Preventing an end to the game
2. Dragging out gametime excessively for no strategic purpose
If you drop a survivor or chase them a bit when you don't have to it's not holding the game hostage. But if you did that for like 10 minutes or more then you are holding the game hostage because you're essentially forcing the survivor to quit or wait an extremely long time to die. Same goes for survivors hiding from the killer or similar scenario's.
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The game would eventually end if you were to continue doing this, so it is not holding the game hostage. This is however making a long and boring game for the survivors
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@Carpemortum If it's such an extreme number, it would be griefing.
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"if you did that for like 10 minutes or more then you are holding the game hostage because you're essentially forcing the survivor to quit or wait an extremely long time to die" @MistressChara
thats what I mean, so the limit is 10 minutes? I would do this for 9:59 minutes lol
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Griefing, yes. Hostage taking, no.
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so where is the limit of griefing then? 10 minutes of downing+reviving?
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This scenario can't happen. You can't be downed and received for that long as each down shaves off a chunk of bleedout time. After about 5 downs they just die anyway.
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@Carpemortum I mentioned it since you made it sound like it wouldn't be a bannable offense to do something like that.
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this is wrong; the situation being described means you down the survivor, then immediately pick them up and drop them until they wiggle out automatically. they're on the ground for very little time and therefore bleed out very slowly
this may not constitute a permanent hostage situation like bodyblocking the basement in previous patches was, but it's still taking the game hostage as it prevents the survivor from exiting the game legitimately for a long time, and indicates the killer is intentionally keeping the survivor in the game for as long as possible. i don't know whether BHVR has ever commented on what would happen to people who do this, but it should have some consequence
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It's neither griefing nor holding the game hostage.
The survivor will bleed out at some point.
Before the EGC it was never an issue, when survivors hid in a far corner and bleed out. Now it's suddenly "taking the game hostage".
No, it's not.
Griefing would be, if the same killer does this to only 1 survivor for several matches. Only then.
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I can down and wiggle out a surv perfectly 20 times for my "taxi challenge" just did it and survs enjoyed so much
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@Tsulan It's not necessary for it to be done several matches to be considered griefing. The amount of times in a trial is also relevant.
(Bodyblocking a survivor in a corner for 15 minutes is also bannable when you do it in one single match, it's not required to be done in several matches before it is considered a bannable offense.)
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We weren't talking about body blocking. Because that's a whole different story.
If the survivor is locked in a spot by the killer or other survivors, he should be able to pass that obstacle once the crow appears.
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But the situation in question isnt just bleeding out. Its wether downing, picking up, and dropping repeatedly is an issue. As it would take FOREVER to bleed out that way. I still think it's not hostage as it eventually ends/has a chance of escape.
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Survivors were mad about me mori spamming 4 times after they tbagged me. They all DCed and They called it holding game hostage and all 4 reported me. Everything is holding game hostage nowadays lol
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Just downing them and letting them bleed out without constantly picking them up and dropping them, that's not taking the game hostage.
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Its literally imposible to hold game hostage now, unless killer bodyblocked someone in corner.
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The killer can only pick you up and drop you 3 times before the game makes you let them go and you take like a 2 or 3s stun. If you were to be downed again you would lose a percentage of your bleed out timer. The game is designed to prevent the killer from both interacting with you in this manner and keep you alive.
The only real way the killer can take you hostage is to place you in a position where you can't do anything and they are refusing to interact with you. Things like bodyblocking in places where survivors can only enter and exit one way.
If you're being constantly downed, then picked up and dropped you have at most 4mins till your dead if you do nothing at all as the game will automatically reduce your bleed out to zero. I know this because it is one of the mean old slugging tactics from when hooks could be perma sabo'd.
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@Tsulan It's comparable in the regards of griefing/ruining the match for another player. You don't have to do it several matches, it's bad enough if you do it extensively in one single match.
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I downed survs a dozen of times right now for the "taxi challenge" but failed miserably, I guess that was not griefing neither keeping the game hostage
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The answer is one second less than whatever you think you'd be able to get away with.
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