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Buff a killer every patch
We hear a lot of complaints about non-viable killers and there are so many great suggestions on the forums about who to buff and how.
I would love to see the devs just take a weaker killer and give them a minor stat boost every 6 weeks and see how it goes. If survivors complain that Trapper now has too many traps or Wraith now uncloaks too fast then fair enough, consider reverting the change in the following patch.
A lot of people are looking forward to the Freddy rework but I would look forward to knowing that any of the bottom tier killers will get enough love to encourage people to drop Hillbilly for a few games.
If the devs do this, the gap between Hillbilly and whoever is the bottom will get smaller and smaller giving us a more balanced game with better variety at the top tier.
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That would be something smart to do.
Behavior doesn't like smart things
(To those who downvoted me: remember old surveillance,you can't possibly say that was a perk well thought out,or Legion "rework", ghostface... *sigh*)
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What you speak of is taboo. Strong and viable killers aren't FUN. Behavior would never do such a thing.
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This whole fun > viable meme needs to die already... Its just what happens when people take a line and pull it way out of context.
I feel like the problem with just randomly buffing things is that alot of killers are able to be quite competitive if using certain addons. I feel like a step like they did with pig's crouch should be a prime example for what they COULD do with these killers. By that, i mean they shifted power from an addon and moved it to the base kit.
While pig's crouch addon got weaker, the base crouch got stronger. This made the effect of pig USING the addon stay completely the same, but made it feel alot more comfortable when not using the addon at all. If we used this idea as a sort of base pattern... We can explore similar options on other killers
Currently, Clown has addons that increase the size of his gas cloud, how long survivors are affected by the cloud and how potent the slowing effect of the cloud is for example. If the base stats of the cloud were improved, you could nerf the addons that alter these stats to balance it out and make Clown not as dependent on the addons.
Pretty much a similar situation can occur for any killer whenever simple numbers can be altered
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@Andreyu44 The change for survelance though WAS smart nd made it into quite the viable perk. The change to legion was needed for the health of the game as a whole and Ghostface is still being tested and tweeked.
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My boy Myers needs love. ):
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@LordGlint I'll stop using it when Behavior switches track and start doing good again.
All killers should be good without having to rely on add-ons. Add-ons should either give you that extra UNF to get the power as powerful as you'd want it OR change how the power behaves to mix up your playstyle.
Baseline Clown, for example, is weak as #########. You need add-ons for him to be "reliable" and even then, he suffers from lack of map pressure so he'll get rushed anyway.
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I'm sick of players wanting killers to be "viable without add-ons". You're playing against the best survivors, with all tier 3 perks + items and you wanting it to be breeze without add-ons is ridiculous.
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Viable=/= ez
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Good survivors needing items? How cute
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Buff weak killers a little bit and nerf nurse and billy
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Ya, I definitely said good survivors need items. I definitely said they use items. How cute.
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Such witchery shall be burned at the stake!
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Sally isn't gonna get nerfed, until SWF gets nerfed - A limit to 2 players seems fine to me.
What's more, Sally has been nerfed a few times already, whereas the whole SWF hasn't.
Still. It's kinda strange to read threads, asking about nerfs, then someone suggests to buff the non-viable Killers, and somehow, out of nowhere, it is wrong. A wrong suggestion.
It doesn't make sense. You do want to play against different Killers, yet, you don't want to do a thing to make them viable - To convince the players to use them. So, you don't really want it, based on your replies... Don't take it personally, this is meant to almost everyone.
Another fact is, that good players keep telling us, how easy is Sally to juke, once you lose line of sight. Why don't you try it yourself?
No, nerf Sally! We don't want to learn! We want to give up early, we don't want to try! It sounds to me, as this was the only logic in your case, as there are pretty much way too many responses or replies, which do really sound like that.
I want something more, some more free candies, but I don't want to give a thing in exchange. Another sliced piece of cake, right?
The game is meant to be challenging for both sides. As a Survivor, you should feel the need to escape, not to bully the Killer. The Killer is supposed to be the Power role, but, thanks to the third party programs, it's usually not the case.
Yeah. Sally doesn't sound and seem like a Killer you should be affraid of, right? But this is all what you've caused by yourselves. You do mind it, yet, you don't want to bring it back.
So, what exactly do you want? By the replies I've read so far, you do want to change this game to something else, just like Fortnite, and so on.
Well, good luck with that.
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Pig's getting a buff this patch. Look, two cosmetics! Now show them how much you appreciate her end game changes and buy those skins. Go on, do eet.
You're gonna buy it anyway, aren't you? -_-
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I agree with this. As much as Pig can be "fun" what they did to her without compensating should not be rewarded with money.
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Wow,that is a interesting response.
Surveillance got changed after years, Legion rework was needed,yes,but poorly executed.
And do you seriously think that Ghostface is gonna be released viable?
I also forgot to mention MoM.
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I think you're missing the point about what @se05239 is saying. He's saying killers shouldn't need add-ons to be at least decent, or in other words, killers should be already decent without add-ons. Why should some killers ONLY be viable when they use ultra rare and very rare add-ons? Do you see the problem there?
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Clown as my pal @se05239 said is weak without add-ons and is add-ons reliant. another killer i really like playing is legion this one have a potential to be high tier. 20s to recover gauge , 5s cooldown on a NON-lethal killer (nurse is 2s btw), frank's mix tape , stab Wound study and all pins are useless.
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You all raise some interesting points. Unfortunately the law of [Bad Word] you is in effect. Meaning the opposite of what you all want is going to be in effect.
Ghostface shall now be more Add On Relient then the Clown.
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There are no killers that can’t kill without add-ons, just learn to use them correctly. You can’t put 1 survivor to sleep as Freddy and engage in long loops pursuing 1 survivor...that’s no map pressure. You can’t chase down 1 killer add Legion, use his killer instinct ability. The clown? You can literally follow survivors on every loop and down then easy, his bottles (when used correctly) are the best anti-loop tool, no enduring, brutal strength, bamboozle, or spirit fury needed. Each killer is different, you must play them all differently.
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@IMhereRUN who's chasing down killers? Thats some serious role reversal
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Ever played Ghostface? That's.. an interesting experience.
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Survivors do not need items to play well... that's preposterous. All items do on the survivor side are unlock a fifth perk (healing boost perk or Self Care for med kit, Sabotage, various aura and other perks for different key ring items) or boost actions that are already at a balanced level in non-item play.
It's hard to argue, however, that there are quite a few killers whose powers are at such a low base standard that they are currently cemented as add-on dependent (or depending on sheer survivor incompetence per trial). That's a shame, and a glaring problem, that has begged for individual reevaluation on the devs' parts for a long while now.
I've never once felt it necessary to bring any item into a game as survivor (sure, a boost is great, but I've never felt it was needed in order to complete my goals). And even if I did, I could run a few trials and raid boxes for the treasure I need to bring back and keep for free. But there are plenty of killers that I steer clear of using until I can grind more bloodwebs in order to get the specific add-ons necessary to make their powers actually feel valuable and of a viable level. Very big difference.
So yes, to the OP, I agree that many killers need their powers reevaluated or buffed and it would do this game well for devs to put a focus on individual ones in a ranked order to roll out with each patch. There are plenty of ideas floating around here from folks who main specific killers and who know exactly what they need that could be used as a starting point; they just need to take action on it.
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Uhm, Nurse and Billy can very easily 4 man without any addons, or even perks if the Killer is a God.
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Nurse, yes. Her base kit is probably the most rewarding to use, since it scales with player skill without any artificial skill ceiling.
Hillbilly, I wouldn't be so sure. I think it'd depend heavily on the map, since without add-ons you need to be very close to get a chainsaw hit during a chase.
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This is true, but if you can manage to get a chainsaw hit, it essentially halves your chase time. Not to mention if you get a super early down that can be snowballed very, very easily via camping or baiting the first hooked.
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Well, I'm sick of players that wants this game to be a bully simulator (:
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@SenzuDuck nobody said they want an easy breeze, they want all killers to have a CHANCE without addons. Right now, only Hag, Spirit, Nurse and Billy (In no particular order) only can win without addons. Billy is a 50/50 thing. Since his power relies on survivors being bad and he can only move fast tbh.
But my point is, they're not an easy breeze without addons, but they have a chance to win. Some people including me, don't like using addons at all. It feels wrong to us, because we hoard them.
Viable killers without addons is a good thing and should be added. You of all people should understand this.
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I really like this idea.
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Turning early and giving away which way you plan to go is obvious as hell.
If you are actually trying to saw from distance, it's best to do it around 6-10 meters. This allows you to use your early turn bonus to catch a survivor's juke, but you pretty much need to 50/50 guess which direction they will juke towards. A good read can put you in a very optimal position.
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I am just happy that they stated that Leatherface is something they are looking at, he would just need a number buff. Make his add ons useful, increase his charging movement speed, etc. Myers could use a bit of help as well.
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@weirdkid5 I'm talking about without addons obviously. With addons he works well.
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I'm speaking without addons. A good Billy doesn't necessarily need his addons. It makes his quality of life much more tolerable though.
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Does he though? I'm a Myers main, and see no issues with him. In fact, I tend to do quite well with him.
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@weirdkid5 idk, I can't flick without addons. It's shameful but true. But then again, I'm a very average Billy. You probably know better. But I know for a fact, if a survivor knows how to 180 his flick, he's pretty much lost all his looping counterplay potential. No matter how good the Billy are.
But, addons make it very easy to flick and antiloop.
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The base flick is very good. You can pretty much 90 degree turn if you time it so that you turn the MOMENT you charge. This nullifies 180s if you are distanced properly and make the right guess.
Also, I use Q and E to turn during my chainsaw charges, not the mouse. That way I get the maximum possible rotation every time.
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Why would you ever want Billy to be nerfed? He's like the Ryu of DBD the most balanced character in the game.
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@weirdkid5 does Q and E help with flicking? I only use mouse for flicks and Q and E for turning around the map.
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I think it does. Like I said, you get the full rotation when you use Q and E. I can go around the whole map 3 times in a single chainsaw charge lol
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I really like this idea and the games health really needs it.
There are even many killer changes that can be done very easily with just number tweaks that wouldn't require a large investment.
Even something simple like removing the roar from Pigs ambush.
Easy and quick changes that would help them a lot.
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Agreed. You don't need to completely rework a character to make them viable. Just a few number adjustments can make a huge difference, and can easily be reverted in a hotfix if it is deemed overpowered.
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Yeah they don't even need to release full killer changes at a time. Even just throwing a few small buffs here and there to different killers each patch would add up.
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@weirdkid5 and @Blueberry I agree too. All they had to do to make Hag top tier was number changes and addon changes and she's literally the 3rd best killer after Spirit. I consider her slightly better than Billy.
If something like that happened for Legion, or Pig, the game would be a lot better.
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@SenzuDuck always fighting the wrong fight. Killers should be viable without add-ons they are made to bring gameplay variety and buff your power. Nurse and billy power are well balanced that's why Omega Blinks/insta saw make them OP.
Clown even with his best add-ons he struggle at red ranks. So goes Legion with his 5s cooldown and his nerfs.
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