Ghostface Does not Need a nerf. He Definitely needs a buff. [DEVS PLEASE READ. STRAIGHT FACTS]

dont make such a big deal out of it tho the nerfs arent that severe dude

So I actually think ghost face is quite balanced. The only thing i would take away is telling him where the survivor is that breaks him out of his ability.

He can loose his terror radius and I find my deaths to escapes vs him are balanced. He is so hard to mind game because of his height and hiding red stain. I play the same person multiple times and get mixed games wins vs losses.

The one thing I find an issues is I spot him first and can't break him out of it or I am immersed hiding and I look his way and break him out of his ability and now I am in chase because he wasn't as sneaky as me. That's quite cheap.

Most survivors are up in arms about how strong he is. I don't think he is that bad but it sucks that him skrewing up his ability puts me in danger.

I'm holding back what is and isnt a bug because the devs done strewed the pooch with this update.

I know he then has to chase me, but I think he is good at any loop with a high wall. He can also 99 you and come back later in stealth mode and finish you with a GGEZ and a teabag.

I would consider this as an exchange...

His ability has a CD like forever... U can even reveal him whole you are behind a rock or a wall. So I think this is OK or you lower the CD in exchange.

Actually hesimply doesn't feel good...

Get in line, Legion Mains have been waiting for a long time buffs or fixes and they don't even respond to them.

They only changed it to nerf them once, in the 2.7.0. They never buff them.

And if im wrong, pls tell me how and when they buffed them.

But thats not the buffed Legion, thats the standard/old Legion.

It required to get 4 successful FF hits, with Frank mixtape 3.

"He doesn't need a buff, he just needs fixed. Taking him out of his ability is impossible sometimes and it is really frustrating as survivor. "

Wat.

Seriously, he is the easiest Killer to cuck. Even mediocre survivors can break him out of stealth with little effort. You can even break him out when he's supposed to be "hidden". I've experienced this from both sides.

The general consensus is that he is weak and his power is mostly in the hands of the survivors.

"People cry about a "massive nerf" but I don't think it'll destroy him as much as people think. The good killers at this game will still get 4k quite easily."

Those tiny changes make a huge difference overall. He is already very easy to break out of stealth, therefore making it even easier will make him even weaker. 4% doesn't sound like a big change, but they also thought making Plague a tiny bit slower while holding her puke wouldn't be a big deal either. Now she's lower mid-tier at best and barely anyone plays her.

And can we stop with this delusion that 4k-ing with Killer is easy? Even with a strong Killer (which GF is not), getting a 4k at mid-to-high ranks usually requires more than a modicum of sweat on the Killer's behalf, assuming they aren't camping/tunneling/slugging for the win.

I swear, I'm going to make a compilation video of all the high-tier players, streamers, and fog whisperers demonstrating just how weak Ghost Face is, because all the evidence is there, plain as day. Maybe if it was all aggregated, there would be less dispute, but I doubt it.

The only thing I don’t get with this immunity thing is people are comparing tier 1 Myers (no TR and immunity to detection perks but poor lunge, no instadowns, barely any chase capability and reduced movement speed) to ghostface at base (normal movement speed, can expose fast especially while leaning, no TR while in shroud/stalking) I’m not a fan of this comparison because tier 1 Mikey is actively trying to get to his exposed tier/out of tier 1 being detected would make getting out of tier 1 even more difficult and tier 1 is by no means a great place to be stuck hence immunity only in this tier. Compare this to ghostface who can move at normal MS and jump straight to exposed, pig is also not immune because she has a normal attack and MS out of her stealth, OoO and premonition I kind of get because they’re directional but premonition, even then, detection is it’s only drawcard (all also work on Myers from tier 2, so 90% of the match) but spine chill should still work on him.

I’d be fine with removing his stealth noise (which makes no sense to exist in the first place since as it’s directional I can track him through walls...), slightly increasing the reveal to 2s (maybe 2.5 with addons) and maybe a slight MS buff while in night shroud and not stalking to help a little with his lack of map pressure.

But this is behavior, don't do anything, except stupid nerfs

idc about ghost face hope they nerf it to the ground .. the hell with it. nerf or buff we all can agree his detection is broken and it need to be fixed

The big problem with GF is that the devs didn't give him the tools to make his play-style work.

It's virtually impossible to stalk once good survivors are on the lookout for you. Meaning that they can just look around for a dude in a mask and run/hide/look at you before you can get your power off.

The solution to this is to give him the ability to easily position and reposition himself to stealthily stalk.

My proposed solution to this is to have him slowly turn invisible over 5 seconds when outside 32m or 24m of survivors. I mean full invisibility, with a speed boost too similar to wraith.

This part will make it so that GF can position himself well to stalk on people, like a movie killer would, you don't see a movie killer walking around then stalking you, you just look around and... there he is, looking at you. How long has he been there?

Actively stalking someone would remove the invisibility even if outside of the survivor radius, taking 5-10seconds or w/e to activate again once you stop talking.

Also, when you successfully stalk someone, you should get 2 buffs:

The first would give you a good speed boost that diminishes over time to help you close in on your victim. (So that you close in fast, but are back to normal speed once you get closer) The buff wouldn't stack for multiple stalked survivors, but would simply be re-applied if a new survivor is fully stalked.

The second would give a stacking buff for every survivor fully stalked to certain actions or something, like vaulting, stun time, pallet break, etc. This buff would last as long as the survivors are red stalked, once you hit them or the time runs out, their part of the buff disappears. This is to encourage GF to get in a good position to stalk as many survivors as possible instead of just rushing in ASAP.

I would also suggest making being fully stalked apply a 'nervous' status effect on the survivor. This would simply slow down non-chased based actions by a bit, like 25% or something, and make skill checks harder until they aren't exposed, just to slow down the game a tiny bit, AND again, encourage GF to be stealthy and stalky.

I feel like these changes, if properly done, would make GF his own killer instead of a ######### MM. his playstyle would be less about mindgame or brute strength, but more about being smart about how you position yourself to stalk survivors, then rushing in like a madman to get the kill.