Everyone's problem with SWF?

@Master said:

@Lowbei said:
Kaelum said:

@Lowbei said:

lol no and the ignorance you just spouted was hilarious.

they literally dont have the technology nor the legal ability to do what youve stated.

Careful @Lowbei, your ignorance is showing. I am a software engineer and from any application I write, I can detect every other running application on the system. Your knowledge of “technology” appears to be extremely limited, and laughable. “legal ability”? Really? ROFL!

you are either lying or hilariously ignorant. 

by your logic, no hacks would ever exist since they can just be detected. i guess blizzard and treyarch and bhvr etc are just lazy and havent heard about hacks /sarcasm

a company does not have the legal ability to monitor all apps on your pc. period. this isnt rocket science. they can only legally detect software that affects their game. this is why mlga was unwhitelisted, but not blacklisted, because it cannot be detected.

you lose, try again.

Pls stop talking about sth you dont understand.
Also there only is a list of whitelisted programms, if that programm is not on the whitelist, then it is a bannable offense using it to gain an advantage over other players. That literally stands in the TOS, look it up if you dont believe me

It all boils down to this! ^^^

@thesuicidefox said:

@Lowbei said:
”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”

blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.

by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”

The difference is that, if you can prove someone was hacking they will get banned, but if you can prove someone was on discord they don't get banned.

I don't care what you say, voice comms is not cheating. It gives you an advantage yes, but that's as far as it goes.

We'll just agree to disagree, I see any advantage over another player as cheating, and you see it as the other guy just needing to get gud and counter the advantage you are somehow getting without cheating

@thesuicidefox said:

@Lowbei said:
”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”

blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.

by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”

The difference is that, if you can prove someone was hacking they will get banned, but if you can prove someone was on discord they don't get banned.

I don't care what you say, voice comms is not cheating. It gives you an advantage yes, but that's as far as it goes.

Voice comm programms are whitelisted, i.e. while they give you an unfair advantage, it is "accepted cheating"

@Outland said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Lowbei said:
”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”

blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.

by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”

The difference is that, if you can prove someone was hacking they will get banned, but if you can prove someone was on discord they don't get banned.

I don't care what you say, voice comms is not cheating. It gives you an advantage yes, but that's as far as it goes.

We'll just agree to disagree, I see any advantage over another player as cheating, and you see it as the other guy just needing to get gud and counter the advantage you are somehow getting without cheating

I play on Xbox. I own a Astro a50's and an Elite. I can hear better and perform better than ANY other player that doesn't have those. In Halo 5, for example, I can do any action without taking my thumbs off the sticks. In Gears of War 4, I can hear the most minute noises all around me. These 2 things give me a HUGE advantage in online games.

Are Astro's or an Elite controller cheating? No. Voice comms is in the same category. An advantage is not always cheating.

Master said:

@Lowbei said:
Kaelum said:

@Lowbei said:

lol no and the ignorance you just spouted was hilarious.

they literally dont have the technology nor the legal ability to do what youve stated.

Careful @Lowbei, your ignorance is showing. I am a software engineer and from any application I write, I can detect every other running application on the system. Your knowledge of “technology” appears to be extremely limited, and laughable. “legal ability”? Really? ROFL!

you are either lying or hilariously ignorant. 

by your logic, no hacks would ever exist since they can just be detected. i guess blizzard and treyarch and bhvr etc are just lazy and havent heard about hacks /sarcasm

a company does not have the legal ability to monitor all apps on your pc. period. this isnt rocket science. they can only legally detect software that affects their game. this is why mlga was unwhitelisted, but not blacklisted, because it cannot be detected.

you lose, try again.

Pls stop talking about sth you dont understand.
Also there only is a list of whitelisted programms, if that programm is not on the whitelist, then it is a bannable offense using it to gain an advantage over other players. That literally stands in the TOS, look it up if you dont believe me

Master said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Lowbei said:
”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”

blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.

by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”

The difference is that, if you can prove someone was hacking they will get banned, but if you can prove someone was on discord they don't get banned.

I don't care what you say, voice comms is not cheating. It gives you an advantage yes, but that's as far as it goes.

Voice comm programms are whitelisted, i.e. while they give you an unfair advantage, it is "accepted cheating"

@Mc_Harty said:

@Outland said:

How can you make the statement that you did, yet not classify it as cheating? (HUGE ADVANTAGE that wasn't intended in the game) Dude, its ok to think its cheating and still do it.

If the devs allow voice coms...then its not cheating is it? Regardless of the reason. Otherwise everyone would have been disqualified from the official tournament for using coms.

Everybody knows that Voice chat provides an advantage. Everyone knows that it breaks the balance of the game. Nobody is that stupid to claim otherwise.

You cannot call it cheating because you think its unfair. Only the devs can. And last I check they are balancing the game towards survivors with voice chat.

They are balancing the game around voice chat????? What magic 8 ball have you got? I've heard no such thing.

Again you and I have been over this, if the comms are on the whitelist they are not cheating and I'll admit it and even inform others when the question is raised. But until I see a whitelist with comms on it, then that advantage is unfair over another player, and is a candidate for permanent banning. As per BVHR's own documentation.

And if its a candidate for permanent banning it sure sounds like cheating to me.

Anyways you have said your bit and I have said mine. You and I will just be on the opposite side of this until BHVR gives us that whitelist with comms on it.

Cheers man, good luck in the fog.

@Outland said:
They are balancing the game around voice chat????? What magic 8 ball have you got? I've heard no such thing.

They are balancing around SWF groups?

The same groups that use voicechat?

Did we forget that?

Cheers man, good luck in the fog.

You too. Wish the ######### devs were clear on this.

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:
They are not cheating as all players can buy the exact same products and therefore have the same advantage.

The killer however cannot ever gain the same advantage that you have by using your comms. So there again you are cheating.

Just like all players can set up a Discord and/or put the info in their steam profile. Or are you going to to some mental gymnastics to tell me no now LOL.

The Killer cannot setup discord to give them the same advantage that the survivors have. No gymnastics needed my friend just common sense.

Master said:

@Lowbei said:
Master said:

@thesuicidefox said:

 @Lowbei said:

”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”

blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.

by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”

The difference is that, if you can prove someone was hacking they will get banned, but if you can prove someone was on discord they don't get banned.

I don't care what you say, voice comms is not cheating. It gives you an advantage yes, but that's as far as it goes.

Voice comm programms are whitelisted, i.e. while they give you an unfair advantage, it is "accepted cheating"

they are not whitelisted.

what this all boils down into is that voice comms are “acceptable cheating”.

everyone already understands this. its only the baddie survivor main trash that attempt to defend it, and its obvious that its allowed only because they can do nothing about it, just like MLGA.

defending voice comms because you bads cant compete without a 3rd party app advantage is just  embarrassing yourself.

/thread

I am a killer main btw, I did the research in the old forum and asked mods whether voicecomms are whitelisted or not. I know the answer, if you dont believe me, go ahead and do your own research

Sure, you can go ahead and report any SWF for cheating, but you do realize that exactly this flooding of reports makes the report systems utterly useles?

Outland said:

@Kaelum said:
@Outland think about it. 2 or more people playing SWF who are also in the same room, talking on the phone, or using any other method of communication. There is no possible way that BHVR could control any of that. If they were stupid enough to try putting any of that in their EULA, those sections would be invalidated by every court on this planet. BHVR has said over and over that comms are an unfair advantage, but their use is not bannable, as it is impossible (illegal in most cases) to control communications between players.

Yeah man,I agree with what you said BHVR doesnt call it cheating because they know they can do NOTHING about it, and to call it cheating for them makes them look bad. But by their definition of things that could be permabanned, this exact thing fits the description.

BHVR could clear this up entirely by adding Discord to some published whitelist, so people would be forced to accept that YES BHVR has whitelisted Discord.... but that just isnt the case.

Its one of those, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then goddammit IT IS A DUCK.

So UNFAIR advantage over another player fits the definition of cheating, so logically until someone states that Discord is whitelisted, IT IS CHEATING, and thats not only in my eyes, but most every Killer out there.

Remove coms by blacklisting them and watch how many people start to suck as surv and watch how many mediocre killers become better. Watch how the cheating swf crews quit. This is why they will never remove swf and they will never penalize the group that has the potential to buy the most DLC/cosmetics. Not removing swf/coms is purely a financial decision.

@Hillbilly420 said:

@Envees said:
Remove coms by blacklisting them and watch how many people start to suck as surv and watch how many mediocre killers become better. Watch how the cheating swf crews quit. This is why they will never remove swf and they will never penalize the group that has the potential to buy the most DLC/cosmetics. Not removing swf/coms is purely a financial decision.

There's no way to remove coms because SWF squads use Discord or Skype or whatever to talk to each other.

I am aware of this. They would resort to using their phones in a desperate attempt to maintain their advantage. Sad.

I also know that swf is going nowhere, barring some miracle. Dev's need to address this imbalance. New people come and go but the difference is that new people sometimes stay gone when they realize how much cheating is really going on and how the devs are doing next to nothing about it. Those are lost sales. Very few people buy games with all DLC attached. In this game the money is now from DLC and cosmetics. Base-game can be had for 7 pounds at times.

Remove swf from ranked. In a game where people cheat with voip there is no room in ranked for them. Cheaters need to have their own non-ranked games.

What i would love to see is the removal of swf as well as coms for one month. Then compare kill ratios to the previous two years.

@Hillbilly420 said:

@Envees said:

@Hillbilly420 said:

@Envees said:
Remove coms by blacklisting them and watch how many people start to suck as surv and watch how many mediocre killers become better. Watch how the cheating swf crews quit. This is why they will never remove swf and they will never penalize the group that has the potential to buy the most DLC/cosmetics. Not removing swf/coms is purely a financial decision.

There's no way to remove coms because SWF squads use Discord or Skype or whatever to talk to each other.

I am aware of this. They would resort to using their phones in a desperate attempt to maintain their advantage. Sad.

I also know that swf is going nowhere, barring some miracle. Dev's need to address this imbalance. New people come and go but the difference is that new people sometimes stay gone when they realize how much cheating is really going on and how the devs are doing next to nothing about it. Those are lost sales. Very few people buy games with all DLC attached. In this game the money is now from DLC and cosmetics. Base-game can be had for 7 pounds at times.

Remove swf from ranked. In a game where people cheat with voip there is no room in ranked for them. Cheaters need to have their own non-ranked games.

What i would love to see is the removal of swf as well as coms for one month. Then compare kill ratios to the previous two years.

They won't do that either because (1) Survivor mains will ree about it in a way we haven't seen before and (2) it would lead to longer ques and wait times for matches.

The only to fix it is to balance the game for SWF. The Killer should get something when an SWF squad joins to even the odds.

I would not be interested in BP as has been stated by many others before i came to that conclusion. How do you even begin to address the advantage that coms provide? Look at how many perks coms nullify?

For the devs to assume that nobody would use coms with their friends was a major flaw in the development cycle and shows how inept they really are. The fact that we are still talking about this two years later also shows where their priority are. DLC/cosmetics over addressing problems with this game.

At this point no amount of talking about this is going to make killers' complaints any better or they would have done it already. They cant fix their game and each additional DLC/killer/surv with new perks will only further cement the problems deeper into the game. Its a lost cause.

@Hillbilly420 said:

@Envees said:

@Hillbilly420 said:

@Envees said:
Remove coms by blacklisting them and watch how many people start to suck as surv and watch how many mediocre killers become better. Watch how the cheating swf crews quit. This is why they will never remove swf and they will never penalize the group that has the potential to buy the most DLC/cosmetics. Not removing swf/coms is purely a financial decision.

There's no way to remove coms because SWF squads use Discord or Skype or whatever to talk to each other.

I am aware of this. They would resort to using their phones in a desperate attempt to maintain their advantage. Sad.

I also know that swf is going nowhere, barring some miracle. Dev's need to address this imbalance. New people come and go but the difference is that new people sometimes stay gone when they realize how much cheating is really going on and how the devs are doing next to nothing about it. Those are lost sales. Very few people buy games with all DLC attached. In this game the money is now from DLC and cosmetics. Base-game can be had for 7 pounds at times.

Remove swf from ranked. In a game where people cheat with voip there is no room in ranked for them. Cheaters need to have their own non-ranked games.

What i would love to see is the removal of swf as well as coms for one month. Then compare kill ratios to the previous two years.

They won't do that either because (1) Survivor mains will ree about it in a way we haven't seen before and (2) it would lead to longer ques and wait times for matches.

The only to fix it is to balance the game for SWF. The Killer should get something when an SWF squad joins to even the odds.

I do not buy that que times would get longer for anyone but the SWF. Basically the Killer would all go where there is no SWF. Once SWF realized that no Killers actually want to play their version of the game, They will either stop playing or solo que like the game was designed.

@Freudentrauma said:

@Outland said:
I do not buy that que times would get longer for anyone but the SWF. Basically the Killer would all go where there is no SWF. Once SWF realized that no Killers actually want to play their version of the game, They will either stop playing or solo que like the game was designed.

Before SWF was implemented in the game people tried to get into the same lobby by searching at the same time and leaving lobbies, when it didn't happened. If killers were allowed to opt-out swf, people will return to this behaviour trying to play with their friends. And that would turn matchmaking into a nightmare. More broken lobbies and expand waiting times.

But rather than fixing the imbalance that swf using coms has on the game we get DLC after DLC and now even cosmetics. Face it. The devs have NO INTENTION OF BALANCING THE GAME. They say they do but their actions speak louder than words.

4 more killers to come, 4 more survs to come. Do you honestly think this is going to solve anything? I think it will just provide more headaches as they attempt to balance things but fail miserably.

2 years of running in circles. Maps have fundamentally not changed. Killers are still running in benny hill circles whether there are 30 pallets like there used to be or the now more acceptable 15. We are still running in circles.

How have they tried to nullify 2 or more swf using coms? What have they done? I cant think of one single thing they have done to nullify swf using coms. Not one iota.