The Amanda's Letter add-on for The Pig has been Kill Switched due to an issue with incorrect RBT count.
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SWF and Average Rank of the Group...
So curious...
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I've was given the impression... Way back when.. before these forums where even created, the Match Making took the average rank of the SWF group.
Cause in the beginning, when SWF was released, it took the rank of the player who created the SWF lobby, which resulted in rank 1s, grouping up with a rank 20 survivor. If the rank 20 survivor created the SWF lobby, the match making would match up to rank 20 killers.
So in order to stop this, the Match Making was changed to take the average rank of the players in the SWF lobby.
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However now in the Developer update, it mentions that the New Match Making will take the average rank of the group.
So when was this changed? Cause I was to understand this was done well over 2 years ago. Now with the Patch Notes deleted on Steam, we can't verify it.
Why wouldn't the New Match Making system not already incorporate this rule since it already existed.
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So what is currently going on right now?
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FOUND IT:
During Patch 1.2.2 - October 24th, 2016 - Posted by bhvr_sbdaniel
The 3rd Balance change in the "Balance" Section it states:
"Adjusted Matchmaking for Survive With Friends to be based on the average rank of the group (instead of the host’s rank)"
This was done over 2 years ago.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/340412628171580889/
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That was never done. SWF was a patched in mess that only existed because people wanted it, and wanted it now. As such, it took the host's rank and used that to determine the match. That's where the term "boosted" came from, when a low rank survivor was put in high rank queues via SWF.
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@AetherBytes nah it was done... It was a long time ago that it was done. One of the biggest complaints about SWF when it came out, was rank 1s grouping up with low rank friends and being matched up to low rank killers.
I seen it in the patch notes myself, but those were on steam, and they cleared out the entire news section there so you can go back and check.
I was here when before SWF was put in.. and I was a SWF player that took advantage of that trick, until they remove it.
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I modified my original post to show when that change was done. On Oct 24th, 2016.
If BHVR was using the average rank back than why redo that?
Why not just change it to use the top rank of the players in the lobby. If the rank 4 player has a friend who wants to play with them, and that new player is rank 18. That is their choice. They should be paired up with rank 4 killers, not the average.
The "average" idea was already being done, so let make it harder for SWF groups. That is my vote.
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I was wondering about this too. In addition to the patchnotes from October 24th, 2016 (almost 3 years ago), there was also this:
Livestream #71 (around 31 minute mark)
Back in September 28, 2017 - about 2 years ago.
Horvath: "Now, with that being said, I do believe there is a significant mismatch that happens time and time again. Survive With Friends is very difficult to manage and I've seen this in a lot of different games; I've experienced it myself... it's not cool, right?"
Cote: "So what we are talking mostly is about adding maybe a..."
Horvath: "Better balance. Better balance, better matchmaking..."
Cote: "More points. Multiplier, or something. For facing Survive With Friends."
Horvath: "Or maybe even if you play Survive With Friends and majority of your group level is 10, let's say, maybe we'll make you play against a level 5 killer. Something of that nature. There are some things we can do and we are looking into. But I don't think Survive With Friends will necessarily be removed."
Again, this was from 2 years ago. Now for some reason, Behaviour is discussing going back to SWF average rank matchmaking as if it is something completely new. I'm also a bit lost.
@Peanits Can we get some clarification?
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It is pretty good job so far:
(2-7-7-2) vs 10
(3-2-8-9) vs 10
(4-3-2-9) vs 11
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I would think that ping plays a significant part as well. I don't want to play high rank survivors as a low rank killer, but no one wants to play ridiculously high ping either. Lag is not fun for either side at any rank.
Not saying the matching system is flawless by any means, but ping matters too. You can only play who is available to play and close enough to be enjoyable.
What really sucks is waiting 10 minutes for a game, for the match to get "cancelled" and then wait another 10 minutes for another match and the match get "cancelled" again.
I'm definitely not saying I want to go back to 2-3 man survivor loads, but with 10 minute waits to play killer, "cancelled matches" become an annoyance that makes me just go back to playing survivor. Playing killer is just not worth the wait time.
3 killer games (10 minutes to get in a game/10 minutes in game) in 1 hour at 20k a game (no BBQ, inexperienced killer) = 60K
6 Survivor games (1 minute to get in a game/9 minutes in a game) in 1 hour at 15K each (if they are poor to average matches) = 90K
For a game that is grindy AF!.... I'll take the survivor route even if I'm bored to tears with it.
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What I'm getting at with my post is the Developer Update states they are changing the New Match Making to use the average of the SWF group.
However, this actually was done over 2 years ago. I'm just kind of wondering why it is even a statement in their Developer Update, because of that fact.
If they designed a new Match Making system, wouldn't it have made sense to carry over the "rules" of the old system into the new system.
Is the new system now taking the rank of the SWF host like the past, in the beginning?
This then means I could be in the red ranks with 2 other friends, then bring in a 3rd friend who is rank 20 and have them make the lobby. That means 3 others who are in the red rank are now being paired up with rank 20 killers.
Not really fair to that rank 20 killer.
That is where the term "boosted" came from as another poster above mentioned.
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I just think is was odd that the "taking the average" wasn't already carried over and then place in the Developer Update as if there is progress being made on something that was already done 2 year ago.
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Now my recommendation would be rather than taking the average as it was before, now take the highest rank survivor in the lobby for the purposes of match making and see how that goes. Match Making can always trickle down to lower ranks if there isn't enough higher ranked players playing. Also the low rank friends, just want to play with friends right?.. so they accept that challenge.
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I disagree with "average of the group" for SWF. I'm all for SWF and playing with your friends, but I don't think low level killers should be subjected to groups with 2 rank 19's and 2 red ranks. I say they should match the whole team vs a killer within 5 ranks of the highest ranking member of the team.
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It should definitely be more difficult for SWF groups and balance around the top rank/s in the group I.e. 1-8-16-16 should get at least a mid purple rank killer. Stops the ability to bully newer/ low rank killers (doesn’t eliminate “new accounts” but it’s a step in the right direction) and balances it more fairly for the killer too for once, a rank 16-20 shouldn’t be getting that kind of SWF.
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SWF is broken as heck in rank 14 games i have had to go against red ranks because of SWF, now I am a rank 7 killer and was able to win the game but I de rank because of the hell that is low ranks after rank 9 where the game can last only 5 min for the survivors but it is stupid that when im in yellow ranks i can get red ranks, they should just take whoever is the lowest rank in a SWF and match them with killers of their skill level
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It should take the highest rank of the group, not the average.
2 1's and 2 20's =/= Rank 10 killer. Any system that treats that as fair matchmaking is unfairly punishing the rank 10 killer; when it's the SWF choosing to have an inherently unbalanced matchup.
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