Change my mind: NOED & EGC were introduced as free-kills gifts

If you die to NOED you already survived to the end, compared to something like getting mindlessly camped with 5 gens still up or proxied and then mori'd you get to play the game a whole lot more.

EGC just exists to force an end to the game. Doesn't care who comes out on top, anything is better than hatch standoffs or "guess I can't win, time to hide for 40 minutes :-D"

You are wrong on both of these matters. Let's start with EGC first.

Egc was implemented as a way to have a more dynamic and eventful endgame. Before hand the endgame phase resolved itself with survivors doing their healing, saves, totem cleanses and generally not feeling any reason to leave. Killers on the other hand spent their time trying to find and force out players who basically holding the game hostage to either get the hatch from standoff or generally not leaving until a large amount of play time had been wasted for malicious reasons. Killers had been asking for a hatch closing mechanic for over two years which was tested in a ptb then not implemented to the live game. When EGC was announced it finally brought the hatch closing and as a surprise to everyone it brought entity kills for not leaving in the allotted time. Killers didn't ask for that part, but it was added as way to pressure survivors into being sure they left the game. What point is a time limit if no consequences are levied. The result has been that largely the game hasn't changed that much. it is very hard to die to the entity in egc.

Base timer is 2mins and when someone is injured, downed, or hooked the timer is slowed down giving survivors a total of 4mins. That is rough the same amount of time as natural bleedout from being slugged. Survivors can still get their healing and saves and totem cleanses, but they can't arbitrarily waste time. The devs even stated that egc was purposely designed not to stress out or overly pressure survivors. It accomplishes that perfectly. The upside for killers is that now hatch isn't guaranteed. It's a true race for it and whoever gets it first is the winner of that exchange. Rarely you will have players being too bold and dying to egc, but it isn't common anymore. It was only common during the release as players who didn't do the ptb hadn't experienced it and were purposely dying. If you just read the forums you'd think that people were never surviving egc, but most players never experience any real threat from egc itself.

Noed on the other hand wasn't designed for free kills. It's one of the oldest and most changed perks in the game. When it was originally introduced it didn't even do what it does now. It just have cooldown on hit and missed attacks with a bit of a movement speed boost. The time it was created was a period where survivors were far more powerful and had the ability to cause the game to grind to a halt with sabotaging hooks. When they added in the Exposure effect to the perk it became better. That said the perk wasn't really having an effect on the game at the time so much changes were needed. They kept fiddling with the perk till it finally showed results which brings us to its current state. The devs have said they see no reason to make changes to this perk as it is in a good place. For all the times you may see noed it isn't really a game changer and it is highly counterable by being a hex perk. Killers will tell you rightly that you speed more time running noed and not seeing activate all than you see yourself at least getting one down before it gets broken. No other hex perk can be so completely baited or denied.

Maybe for potato harvest, but I haven't been experiencing this one sidedness as a solo survivor or when I do my killer dailies.

Deny it all you like, but it's obvious they were.

Salt detected, bringing water.

I run no mither and Iron will so survivors sound quiet to me. :P

Survivor main here, don't let the pic fool you, im 30% killer only and I don't like to rely on hex perks so I like to think my opinion is not a biased or "scared killer' one. (Seriously can we stop with the insults from both sides, it makes you ALL look like you're 12!)

NOED can be annoying at endgame, but if you use the actual counter that you get actual points for, it isn't a problem. You can cleanse all the totems, memorise where you see totems and knock it out when it activates, or you could not just run straight out in the open when endgame occurs. You can even open the hatch when it has been closed , and given the amount of keys i have seen, this isn't out of the realms of possibility.

Personally i favour disabling all totems during the match. Most people say that wastes time because totems don't get gates open, but i like to counter that by asking "Does that quickly opened gate get you off the hook when you're being camped by a NOED wielding nutcase?"

There are counters, if you cannot be bothered to employ them, that is your own problem, not the perk itself. If the perk is 'free kills for killerz', it is because you make it so, and no amount of "Being here longer than all of you" will change that.

The EGC, in my own opinion, is far better than the usual hatch stand off's or bunch of toxic survivors who want to take the game hostage for 20 minutes despite already having won, You cannot deny they did this, and if you hate the state of endgame now, then you know who to blame. The only thing that needs looking into, is the same thing that even most of the killers agree on, a minimum distance between gates.

I know, i do sound like a killer main and you may feel free to accuse me of such if it makes i easier to discredit simple logic, but the truth is, i'm not. I have simply learned that things are not always going to go the way i want them to and in order to survive, i have to adapt. I literally suck at looping, for example, and that taught me a LOT about adapting my play style instead of following the crowd. This doesn't mean i look down on people who can loop like champs btw, quite the opposite, but it does (along with learning some killer) give me a better appreciation of adapting a play style.

"Change my mind" posts are always made by people who have no intention of listening to the other side and already 100% believe they're right. It's a stupid concept and people waste their time trying to give their reasoning to someone who's acting like a child with their fingers in their ears shouting "I CANT HEAR YOU". Thankfully the devs already said they feel NOED is fine so you thinking it's unfair doesn't matter.

now im starting to believe your just trolling.