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A genuine desire - Reducing Toxicity
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I want to hear the whine in their voice when they cry for me. You can't escape the sore losers so like Ro I've learned to enjoy it.
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Then let me summarize it for you, if that helps. I think toxicity exists on both sides, and I think entitlement exists on both sides. I think that survivors are more toxic than killers due to exposure and mentality. That being said, if I’m gonna specifically address the 4K problem, I do believe there are some killers who feel entitled to 4k’s unreasonably. I think they are rare, and they do not represent the whole. However, even though more problems lie within the survivor side, I think it is integral to acknowledge that some select killers are unreasonable. In this way, we can build common ground with survivors to bridge the gap between us. By denying all claims and attacking those trying to help, we remove our ability to work together. If you want survivors to be less toxic, we have to recognize this fact. Otherwise, instead of being seen as a defender of killers like you are trying to do, you will be seen as evidence of an “unreasonable, toxic killer who can’t see reason” (that’s a synopsis pulled from a message I received over a year ago). If we cannot recognize any fault with our side, then the other side will do the same. If you still don’t want to believe that, that’s okay, we’ve been pushed around so long I don’t blame you. But it will never fix the problem, and as such we’ll have to get frustrated over these issues much more than we should over and over.
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I can only do that against the ones I know are whiny or entitled, but I’m glad you can get some joy out of it.
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This is where we have a problem then and it's similar to an issue I have with those who say things like 'I play both sides' and 'as a killer-main'.
When I say that the 'killers think they deserve to 4k' meme is an absolute lie, I'm saying it's an absolute lie, but this does not mean no killer ever said that: it means that survivors are lying in their characterisation of killers like this. This is what I meant in my first post which you responded to, but you responded with 'nothing Rakim said regarding survivor memes was untrue', which directly contradicts with what I hold to be an absolute factual truth. Anyone who disputes it but then does not support the counter-factual claim; that 'killers think they deserve to 4k' has some justification at all, is not on my side and is not truthful.
If it's a choice between saying what is true and saying what is 'constructive', then toxicity is utterly vital. The divide between different players has to exist, it has to be adversarial and at least one side has to not compromise on matters of fact or honesty as that is the only true moderating influence. I know things are healthy when survivors are complaining that this forum is 'a killer echo-chamber'.
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You bring up great points. We view the situation differently, which is good. I’ve said this before, tho it wasn’t the main point then, but my hope isn’t to remove toxicity, just reduce it. I mentioned it somewhere in here, sorry I don’t know where, but I referenced that removing toxicity would be “impossible but also immoral”. We need disagreements to build better things, and that’s my mistake on misunderstanding your take on the 4K issue. This whole time I was assuming you were saying that those individuals didn’t exist, not that your problem was with the exaggeration and unreasonable characterization of killers as a whole. My ultimate goal isn’t to remove disagreements. I just hope that we can create a community and a game where death threats aren’t a norm. I know you can block people, I think that’s the best current solution, but the lack of understanding for another side, and the vile behavior and communication, seems abhorrent. I’ve played Xbox for years, hatemail isn’t unusual, but the sheer volume of dc’s, hate messages, and disregard for others is something I’d like to improve on, even if it’s only in my interactions.
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Bruh, you got stuck on that one small fraction of a thing that I said and missed the ENTIRE point of the rest of my comment.
I ALSO said there are survivors who think "I deserve to escape every match" which is something that literally none of my friends who play survivor have said nor have I seen any survivor main in the forums say it. This runs into the same argument you're presenting which is "that's a dramatization created by the "other side" because no survivor main actually thinks that but killer mains seem to think that survivors are entitled and feel that way.
Again, the POINT is that regardless of whether these things are true or not, killer mains and survivor mains tend to only see things from their side and don't take the time to empathize with the other side.
But I'm not here to argue. I'm here to agree with the point of the post that we need less toxicity and need to work on finding more middle ground
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Also when it comes to hook camping (which is completely unrelated but let's go there for a second), the argument isn't "everyone has to live so hook camping is toxic/bad/stupid"
The argument is, "this killer is a dick and is sucking the fun out of the game. The person on the hook doesn't get to do anything. The people not on the hook are left with the choice of gen rushing (which killers claim they hate but encourage us to do at the same time???). It's boring and lacks skill. That's it."
My friends and I don't mind dying against a killer that just simply outplays us and kills us. We say gg and move on. It's annoying when you run into a killer that puts you on a hook and won't chase anyone else that comes by.
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Ok, but you're basically summing up how every killer feels when going against SWF on coms, but nothing changes. No one cares but the killers who have to put up with it. Why should we then be concerned about survivors when they're on a hook?
Survivors still have a counter to this, which if used consistently would discourage killers from doing it unless they were opting to throw the game for the sake of killing one survivor. A 75% win-rate just isn't good enough for them. This makes it evidently clear: survivors DO think they deserve to all escape no matter what and their invention of the 'killers think deserve 4k' meme is an obvious projection of that.
That 'killers think they deserve to 4k' is only one thing that you said, but you still said it and you know damn well that it's a friggin lie. No one who spreads that BS is a fair-minded or honest person, so claims to want to reduce toxicity are also a fraud because you're perfectly happy to spread a central plank of survivor-toxicity: that of projecting their faults onto killers constantly.
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The so-called "counter" isn't a valid counter either.
When the killer hooks someone, a survivor is naturally going to attempt to go save that person which means that at best, two people are on gens and one person is going in for a save. This is of course assuming you have a 4 man squad with perfect communication and coordination which is more often NOT the case. In a game with less than that, there could be more than one person going for that save due to lack of communication.
Anyway back to the point, the first person has to get to the hook, find out the killer is still there and camping, try to distract them and pull them away for a second person to go in and get the save. So now only 1 person is on a gen. NOW, once that second person realizes that the killer isn't going to follow the first person and is committing to being boring, only then can the survivors make the decision to "just do gens". By this time, the person on hook is almsot dead, and one of the survivors who attempted to be a distraction probably took a hit and is injured. THAT'S the reality of what camping does to a game and that's why so many killers camp, because they KNOW it gives them an easy advantage.
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It's a counter that demonstrably works and your argument against it is a contrived scenario where survivors have zero awareness and move at a treacle-pace. It's so absurd that it has so many seconds out of 160(80 per hook-phase) pass, such that the person on the hook is 'almost dead'.
It almost does read like a slasher horror-movie in that it depends on characters being inexplicably stupid to create tension.
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reduce toxicity ideas 100% will work..................... probably
crouching as survivor takes slower so they cant tea bag
spamming a flashlight will force it to break
no more moris or op add ons
end game chat is forced to say gg wp :D from both sides
done.. now dbd is full of rainbows and sunshine
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