New Killer Is Fun, But Also Garbage

His slowdown he has makes it less likely people pallet loop you... and you were speaking strongly as if it were factual.

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It blocks one window, the arc can ruin your toss which ruins your zoning. That gas doesn't stop them from doing anything they can still drop pallets. His projectile is rather slow. You shouldn't need ruin.

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The arc can ruin my toss? That's why you have to PLAY him, jeez. It's like saying: the unpredictability of Nurse's blink range ruins my chases. You have to LEARN how to use it.

That gas SLOWS and IMPAIRS. They drop the pallet (no vacuum too) and they take the hit the next loop.

You don't need Ruin, unless you're against really coordinated ranking SWF squads. There, Ruin is a must. That has NOTHING to do with the killer.

You are generalizing things in a quick way. A poor man's Doctor? He's got some similar concepts to The Doctor, but he's different. You can deter where people can go. You're the minority here with the negative posting about the Clown.

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You are generalizing things in a quick way. A poor man's Doctor? He's got some similar concepts to The Doctor, but he's different. You can deter where people can go. You're the minority here with the negative posting about the Clown.

Just because someone is in the minority doesn’t mean they’re necessarily wrong or don’t have a good point

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His power is good but survivors have time on their side and they shouldn’t and yes I mean gen rush.



It's an interesting power but the reload time is ridiculously long. It's a pain to lob it properly and slows you down. I can aim it fine before anyone tells me I need to figure it out. The problem is they have 0 distance to them. They can barely clear any distance so a longer chase is a huge detriment. They'll just run around the cloud if you try to hit a long range one. Now you've lost time, and a bottle.

@AsianMammoth said:

I agree, he's just an underpowered Doctor. Doctor's shock stops survivors from doing anything for 2.5 secs - this can actually counter pallet looping - however, Clown's smoke just slows them down and blurs their vision, doesn't stop them from vaulting, dropping pallets or anything. If they're close to a pallet, they're safe.



100% this. He's just a poor man's doc. Huntress can run addons for hinder that lasts 15s, can actually use her hatchets with a good trajectory, multiple in fact. Doc can zap and stop them from doing anything for 2.5s. I just dont get this killer.

You can throw it a good distance if you wait until the bottle shimmers

That's what I was referring to. I fully charged it, and it's such a short distance. I can hit it just fine. Doing cross map hatchets with Huntress has prepped me for him, but his trajectory is so bad.

Wait so what do you want him to do be able to throw bottles across the map? He’s not huntress he his own killer, he has bottles not hatches so it makes sense why the trajectory is different and the distance is different. I personally think it’s ok distance but to say it has 0 distance is a bit of an exaggeration 

I'm saying for long range, he can't do anything, so what's the point of cutting off an area if you have to be RIGHT on a survivor to do it? It's a really uncomfortable range that you either can hit it, overshoot it, or are better off just nailing the survivor. I might not want a cross map toss, but I wanna be able to have some range.

That’s definitely understandable and the animation looks awkward as well while your chasing someone

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@sorrowen said: His power is good but survivors have time on their side and they shouldn’t and yes I mean gen rush. It's an interesting power but the reload time is ridiculously long. It's a pain to lob it properly and slows you down. I can aim it fine before anyone tells me I need to figure it out. The problem is they have 0 distance to them. They can barely clear any distance so a longer chase is a huge detriment. They'll just run around the cloud if you try to hit a long range one. Now you've lost time, and a bottle. @AsianMammoth said: I agree, he's just an underpowered Doctor. Doctor's shock stops survivors from doing anything for 2.5 secs - this can actually counter pallet looping - however, Clown's smoke just slows them down and blurs their vision, doesn't stop them from vaulting, dropping pallets or anything. If they're close to a pallet, they're safe. 100% this. He's just a poor man's doc. Huntress can run addons for hinder that lasts 15s, can actually use her hatchets with a good trajectory, multiple in fact. Doc can zap and stop them from doing anything for 2.5s. I just dont get this killer.

You can throw it a good distance if you wait until the bottle shimmers



That's what I was referring to. I fully charged it, and it's such a short distance. I can hit it just fine. Doing cross map hatchets with Huntress has prepped me for him, but his trajectory is so bad.

Wait so what do you want him to do be able to throw bottles across the map? He’s not huntress he his own killer, he has bottles not hatches so it makes sense why the trajectory is different and the distance is different. I personally think it’s ok distance but to say it has 0 distance is a bit of an exaggeration 

I'm saying for long range, he can't do anything, so what's the point of cutting off an area if you have to be RIGHT on a survivor to do it? It's a really uncomfortable range that you either can hit it, overshoot it, or are better off just nailing the survivor. I might not want a cross map toss, but I wanna be able to have some range.

That’s definitely understandable and the animation looks awkward as well while your chasing someone

That's my problem. I can hit the bottles, it's just really wonky, and doesn't feel rewarding. He needs a bit more range to really cut areas off. Not to mention people just ignore the effects. Some don't even slow down. Assuming it's a bug, but if it's not that's just frustrating.

Yea I know what you mean now. His power doesn’t feel like it does anything. I personally don’t really like his power that much because it just feels a little bland to me.

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@sorrowen said:    His power is good but survivors have time on their side and they shouldn’t and yes I mean gen rush.        It's an interesting power but the reload time is ridiculously long. It's a pain to lob it properly and slows you down. I can aim it fine before anyone tells me I need to figure it out. The problem is they have 0 distance to them. They can barely clear any distance so a longer chase is a huge detriment. They'll just run around the cloud if you try to hit a long range one. Now you've lost time, and a bottle.    @AsianMammoth said:    I agree, he's just an underpowered Doctor. Doctor's shock stops survivors from doing anything for 2.5 secs - this can actually counter pallet looping - however, Clown's smoke just slows them down and blurs their vision, doesn't stop them from vaulting, dropping pallets or anything. If they're close to a pallet, they're safe.        100% this. He's just a poor man's doc. Huntress can run addons for hinder that lasts 15s, can actually use her hatchets with a good trajectory, multiple in fact. Doc can zap and stop them from doing anything for 2.5s. I just dont get this killer.

You can throw it a good distance if you wait until the bottle shimmers That's what I was referring to. I fully charged it, and it's such a short distance. I can hit it just fine. Doing cross map hatchets with Huntress has prepped me for him, but his trajectory is so bad.

Wait so what do you want him to do be able to throw bottles across the map? He’s not huntress he his own killer, he has bottles not hatches so it makes sense why the trajectory is different and the distance is different. I personally think it’s ok distance but to say it has 0 distance is a bit of an exaggeration 



I'm saying for long range, he can't do anything, so what's the point of cutting off an area if you have to be RIGHT on a survivor to do it? It's a really uncomfortable range that you either can hit it, overshoot it, or are better off just nailing the survivor. I might not want a cross map toss, but I wanna be able to have some range.

That’s definitely understandable and the animation looks awkward as well while your chasing someone

That's my problem. I can hit the bottles, it's just really wonky, and doesn't feel rewarding. He needs a bit more range to really cut areas off. Not to mention people just ignore the effects. Some don't even slow down. Assuming it's a bug, but if it's not that's just frustrating.

Yea I know what you mean now. His power doesn’t feel like it does anything. I personally don’t really like his power that much because it just feels a little bland to me.

It's extremely lackluster. There's almost no reason to run it outside of getting Deviousness points, and maybe cutting an unsafe loop? That's about it.

I think the gas bottle disorientation thing would be ok if maybe it was part of something bigger and wasn’t the main power but an opiton he could choose from. Like he could have a bottle that causes exhaustion for a short amount of time so for example if someone has lithe and they’re about to jump a window you hit them with the bottle that causes exhaustion then lithe won’t activate.

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@ThePloopz said: Caretaker said: @ThePloopz said: Caretaker said: @sorrowen said: His power is good but survivors have time on their side and they shouldn’t and yes I mean gen rush. It's an interesting power but the reload time is ridiculously long. It's a pain to lob it properly and slows you down. I can aim it fine before anyone tells me I need to figure it out. The problem is they have 0 distance to them. They can barely clear any distance so a longer chase is a huge detriment. They'll just run around the cloud if you try to hit a long range one. Now you've lost time, and a bottle. @AsianMammoth said: I agree, he's just an underpowered Doctor. Doctor's shock stops survivors from doing anything for 2.5 secs - this can actually counter pallet looping - however, Clown's smoke just slows them down and blurs their vision, doesn't stop them from vaulting, dropping pallets or anything. If they're close to a pallet, they're safe. 100% this. He's just a poor man's doc. Huntress can run addons for hinder that lasts 15s, can actually use her hatchets with a good trajectory, multiple in fact. Doc can zap and stop them from doing anything for 2.5s. I just dont get this killer.

You can throw it a good distance if you wait until the bottle shimmers        That's what I was referring to. I fully charged it, and it's such a short distance. I can hit it just fine. Doing cross map hatchets with Huntress has prepped me for him, but his trajectory is so bad.

Wait so what do you want him to do be able to throw bottles across the map? He’s not huntress he his own killer, he has bottles not hatches so it makes sense why the trajectory is different and the distance is different. I personally think it’s ok distance but to say it has 0 distance is a bit of an exaggeration  I'm saying for long range, he can't do anything, so what's the point of cutting off an area if you have to be RIGHT on a survivor to do it? It's a really uncomfortable range that you either can hit it, overshoot it, or are better off just nailing the survivor. I might not want a cross map toss, but I wanna be able to have some range.

That’s definitely understandable and the animation looks awkward as well while your chasing someone



That's my problem. I can hit the bottles, it's just really wonky, and doesn't feel rewarding. He needs a bit more range to really cut areas off. Not to mention people just ignore the effects. Some don't even slow down. Assuming it's a bug, but if it's not that's just frustrating.

Yea I know what you mean now. His power doesn’t feel like it does anything. I personally don’t really like his power that much because it just feels a little bland to me.

It's extremely lackluster. There's almost no reason to run it outside of getting Deviousness points, and maybe cutting an unsafe loop? That's about it.

I think the bottle would be ok if maybe it was part of something bigger and wasn’t the main power but an opiton he could choose from. Like he could have a bottle that causes exhaustion for a short amount of time so for example if someone has lithe and they’re about to jump a window you hit them with the bottle that causes exhaustion then lithe won’t activate. 

I've heard some people say he feels like he has a two part power that wasn't finished. It needs a lingering effect or something.

It definitely feels like it’s missing that mmf that other killer powers have

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@Slowgaleo said:
Think you should give it a few days of testing him / playing against him before posting stuff like this. People don’t know how to properly use him / counter him yet. It takes time.

You throw the gas, it disorients and slows. There's not much else to it man. I understand waiting, but he's not Hag, or Doc, or someone that has extra bits thrown in.

The new killer has A LOT of extra bits on him, you can throw the bottles to cut survivors off, its not the best to just throw the bottles at the survivor unless you have addons that make the effects last longer. Using a bottle at a window makes it a slow vault just fyi and if you use it at the pallet their vision gets a blurry and you can mind game them if they stay for too long. Theres a lot to this killer imo hes mid-tier hes not #########, but hes not the best either. he has a good balance

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@Slowgaleo said:
Think you should give it a few days of testing him / playing against him before posting stuff like this. People don’t know how to properly use him / counter him yet. It takes time.

You throw the gas, it disorients and slows. There's not much else to it man. I understand waiting, but he's not Hag, or Doc, or someone that has extra bits thrown in.

I am totally agree with this point , there is no extra skill only throw the gas

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@ZeBee said:

The new killer has A LOT of extra bits on him, you can throw the bottles to cut survivors off, its not the best to just throw the bottles at the survivor unless you have addons that make the effects last longer. Using a bottle at a window makes it a slow vault just fyi and if you use it at the pallet their vision gets a blurry and you can mind game them if they stay for too long. Theres a lot to this killer imo hes mid-tier hes not #########, but hes not the best either. he has a good balance

Exactly.

He's no Hillbilly or Nurse but he's not that #########. He's balanced atm. No one knows how to properly play him or play against him yet. Give him time.

Speaking of which I just got 4k 4 iridescents on him https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1398191409 which you can do on anyone, but I still suck at him