Title. How in the world are you supposed to get a 4k at all let alone a merciless victory for killer adepts when 3 gens pop at the same time by the time you get your first 1-2 hooks? It's boring, fustrating, and just plain unfun.
Even playing survivor against killers w/o ruin is boring. Games go by way too fast and nothing happens unless you're the lucky one to get chased most of the game. If the devs don't add something to help this issue the game WILL die.
Sorry for typos. It's almost 3 in the morning.
yea gen rush is rough even when you apply good pressure gens pop fast
ppl say that for 3 years now and yet we are here.
Been trying for adept nurse for 3 days in a row. Got one emblem point off multiple times... guess what category? Gatekeeper, of course.
Yeah in a world where nearly every Killer runs ruin.
If the trophy is that important to you, you will probably have to wait for rank reset. If you play against brown or maybe yellow ranks, you have a chance pulling this off without Ruin.
That's what I was thinking. It's weird to me because I did it with Trapper (a not-very-good-at-the-moment killer) against a 4 man SWF? It was on Haddonfield so that kind of helped but I guess I just played out of my mind lol.
Also I'd feel bad destroying rank reset players lolol
#########, man. I've given up with Leatherface. That man gets looped so much I was struggling getting more than 2-3 hooks all game!
It probably doesn't help that I've got up to rank 7 since I purchased him (up from rank 15.)
Idk, I just like having trophies haha.
I second this. If ruin goes early, you've basically lost the game.
Even worse in my case because I've been trying to do adepts. Other than Nurse (and Hag, obviously) 2 gens are usually done by the time I get a couple hooks.
I don't think it's a whole lot of fun with it either.
Honestly? The simple answer is, dont do adept achievements right now. The current ranking system is not geared towards it at all largely due to the way gatekeeper works currently.
A lot of killers it's a skill problem in your case imo. For the very few it might not be.
Uh... what? Reiterate please?
Well, i think ruin makes the game more boring for survivors and less challenging for killers, as well as teching bad habits to who use it (not putting pressure because a perk do it for you).
I don't disagree but it's like... killers can't do anything without it. That's the issue.
Well.. i mean, its hard and you have to put a lot of effort into putting pressure (and even more into learning how to do it) but you can. I never use it and i know plenty of others really good killer main that dont need it at all.
I know how hard is to stop using it. It is really hard, but the benefit is gonna be huge.
The game is fun without ruin.
Yes. For survivor
Yes. For killer
Nurses and Hags Adept are the only trophies i got. I let my Rank decay to 20 and do the other one's someday.
And yes, survivor gameplay needs some refreshing change.
Ruin isn't even a problem for most survivors, people have been using it since the Hag chapter got released and now great skill checks are just easy to hit. Unless there's lag obviously. I would love to see more perks like PGTW though that slow the game down. Maybe a Hex Perk that increases the amount of skill checks you get in a row after every hooked survivor maybe? That combined with Lullaby would be a killer.
youre not supposed to get a 4k, youre supposed to get a 2k, as for the achievements, yes they are fuced
Add to this.Kick gen without PGTW dont have any sens change my mind.And ruin go fk her self often in 1st minute or after 1 hook.
Nonsense, ive had many many good games against killers without ruin. Some i die, some i survive.
Might be your own skills you need to work on instead of the over reliance of one perk. I see killers dailly getting 3-4ks without ruin.
Some killers over chase good loopers while the smart ones will back off and start putting pressure on gens, a wee slug here or their works wonders as it helps pull survivors off gens.
Alot now dont run self care, smack as many as you can and they'll waste time running around healing each other.
Dont play for win, play for fun, u will feel a lot better, trust me
It can be fun without Ruin. It just depends on how good you are, how good the Survivors are, your build, and whether the Survivors are in an SWF group. I don't run Ruin on my Doctor and I still have fun at red and purple ranks.
eh I've never used ruin before but then again my lowest killer rank is 7
Lullaby is great example why Hex ruin shouldn't have tokens. Before you can use it's full potential it's gone. Usually u get 2-3 tokens before getting it cleansed.
As for OP, yeah I guess? I mean, If you know what you are doing u are fine without it. Just don't be so focused on steam achievement, it's not worth of all the stress
