You're Mad At Decisive For The Wrong Reason

As other people said, it's not quite an anti-tunneling perk, it's a perk that also helps against tunneling.

Because killer can be hit with it even if there was no tunneling, survivor is healed and doing some objective.

Plus many survivors feel that if you don't get to hit with DS, it's a waste of a perk, so they put themselves in danger as much as possible in order for a perk to be useful, worst thing about that it actually doesn't involve any trade off / risk.

So it's more of "immunity to being hooked for one minute" than anti-tunneling perk.

@Zixology the problem, is that the timer on it is ridiculous, 60 seconds is a massive amount of time, so much so that it either gives the survivor invisibility to do a generator for a minute and combine this with say deliverance is very OP, or you chase someone else and come across the survivor again and down them, just to be caught in the end seconds of DS. either that or survivors follow you and tank a hit for another survivor, knowing full well they can just get a free escape. even worse at end game.

now, cause it is a meta perk, imagine multiple survivors running it. its still OP, it still needs changes.

If you've gone after the person who just got unhooked then stand in front of the locker and either wait a minute, or wait for them to jump out and slug them if you want to tunnel them that badly. If you just happen to accidentally run into the same person who just got saved within 60 seconds, again slug them and wait out the timer.

You have options for those 60 seconds.

Ah yes, the good ol' count 60 seconds each time someone gets unhooked.

If a survivor plays stupid with DS and goes into a locker it should still be possible to pull them out without having DS activate. It isn't a counter to wait 60 seconds for the timer to run out and grab them.

well, you did get to play the game otherwise you wouldn't be on the hook in the first place. Its not fair that the killer isnt able to hit that survivor for a full minute, in 60 seconds you can get almost a full generator done. and if its saved until EGC like some people do, its a free escape.

It does suck though when you dont tunnel and do get hit because in 60 seconds you have downed someone else and found them. I mean it sucks cuz you get stunned, but your usually in a winning position at that point

Not a good Nurse, but I have met a few and played against a few. A good Nurse will have not only the person that saves the survivor, and the survivor was unhooked downed within the 60 seconds. Closer to around 30 maybe 45 depending on how good they are, and under 30 if they are running make your choice. That extra time while waiting on DS to run out is more than enough for them the be healed.

Similarly, while it is nowhere near THAT efficient, I run Make Your Choice on Huntress. Logic is that when the save happens, if I am in close proximity, return to the area where they were hooked, hatchet the one who was saved, and M1 the now exposed survivor who saved them. I can do that and hook the person I hit with M1 in the time it takes DS to run out.

It isn't a matter of 'just don't tunnel', its something that should change about the perk.

Personal opinion, make DS like it was before, but with a few new rules for it.

1. DS will become available to use after first hook/unhook process. (Yes, people who get camped will be salty, but that allows teammates time to do 3 gens the entire time they are camping you.)

2. If you have DS active and the killer dribbles/drops you when the skill check has begun, you will immediately escape the killers grasp with a momentary stun (stun length of enduring pre-nerf) and keep your DS.

Alternative. Be granted 150% movement for 2 seconds with no stun.

Alternative to this rule overall. Allow Enduring to change the stun time and keep the skill check upon being picked up. (This would not include locker or gen grabs. Being grabbed at a window will still allow you to use DS as you were actually attempting to escape)

3. DS will become unavailable after the end game collapse has started. (The Entity wants blood, and it sees your plan Laurie)

Basically, if you can go the whole game without getting hooked, you are a good player, take your win and don't try to be super altruistic with using DS as your crutch of "oh they can't stop me."

These are my opinions to better balance the perk, constructive criticism is welcome. I honestly hate DS as it is now even as a killer main, just for the sheer fact all killers have to do is slug and just wait out the timer. They nerfed the perk way too hard. I honestly didn't even feel it needed a nerf to begin with.

No, that's a bad approach. Slugging lets you switch for a guaranteed amount of time while a slugged person is recovering. Waiting out doesn't let you an option to switch without letting a person in a locker to get back to the objective. If you want to punish person in a locker ALWAYS take a DS hit. It removes DS from them, so they can't use it later, and if you're lucky you can down them again quickly enungh (if they couldn't utilize that 5 secodn stun to make a distance).

It is different though. By slugging someone, you immobilize them and prevent them from doing anything without help from another survivor (or perk). This forces other survivors to waste time going to pick up the slug which means they're not doing generators.

With DS though, you can't immobilize them. Once you leave the vicinity they're free to go. No penalty for them or their teammates.

The easiest fix for this would be that DS doesn't trigger on locker grabs or that if you pick a survivor from a locker you have enough time to drop them on the ground before DS has a chance to take effect.

Id jusy like to say that "tunneling" is a made up thing that killers consider the best option. So to even suggest that its a anit-tunneling perks is literally saying its an anti-best choice for the killer perk

Which isn't actually a bad thing. Altering rulesets makes every game different... well, until perks become mandatory. hex: ruin and hex: noed do the same for survivors, they force survivors do something aside from gens. Otherwise they wouldn't have a reason, unless feeling like risking time for extra BP.

And simply hitting the same Survivor twice in a row is not necessarily tunneling.

If I hook someone. Leave and then they get unhooked. If the next person I run into happens to be the unhooked Survivor then hitting them isn't tunneling, it's just normal play.

Tunneling is actively going after the same Survivor to the exclusion of the others. So if someone was unhooked in my face then there are 2 Survivors and I can chose which one to face.

Downing the unhooker or trying to down both is not tunneling.

Downing the unhooked if the unhooker runs to a strong loop but the unhooked does not is not tunneling.

Downing the Unhooked if he goes to a strong loop when the Unhooker does not is tunneling.

Downing the Unhooked when they both run to equally strong loops is a gray area. But if done multiple times to the same Survivor it is tunneling.

Good idea. All other grabs can be avoided by simply lunging, even a short lunge. If a survivor manages to bait a killer into grabbing them off a gen or vault or something that's fair play, but with a locker there is no options besides "put them on your shoulder" or "leave them there non-downed".

Should be possible to just insta-drop someone, and the devs could see if there's any way to fix the old "invalidate flashlight saves by insta-dropping" thing that made them change it in the first place as that was pretty silly.

i am only mad at this perk when one survivor gets rescued and then just deadhards past me to farm a second survivor off another hook and then both have DS.