I'm new, and wouldn't have bought DLC if I knew killers can take off 2.5x lives with a dumb offering

Yeah we just see things differently and that's fine. But ebony is not as gamebreaking as people claim it to be. Ofc it's very strong but why couldn't it be. Not like DBD right now is in perfect state of balance. Both sides have broken stuff and opinion regarding which is has more broken stuff differ.

The Mori is the Killer equivalent of the Key, it is an instant win where the other side has no counter or chance and no one enjoys that.

I've heard interesting ways to balance them but only remember 1

To Mori a single Survivor the Killer must use their power on a Survivor and hook them 3 times, so Trapper can trap 3 people and hook any of them, any of those 3 Survivors become a candidate for a Mori. The Mori Offerings increase how many Survivors you are able to Mori so it is kind of like the Ivory Mori but has a few more requirements.

Another idea I vaguely remember was the Mori Offerings act as a form of Bloody Party Streamers, 100% bonus points for everyone but I forget the rest of the details. Basically the idea was that yeah everyone can die but they are all compensated for the trouble.

Ahem..keys? They're literally the same thing except 1..they can be looted mid match meaning the killer is unaware of it existing 2.. while the mori speeds up a killers victory, the key rewards failure for survivors and 3..addons can make the key give extra benefits and can even be made reusable

Sticking strictly to offerings that are OP, play any killer but nurse when survivors burn a Haddonfield offering. Gg

(Mostly kidding but still overly balanced towards the survivor)

Although I rarely ever use any type of mori I absolutely love the mori animations and appreciate the work the devs put in the mori animations.

Perhaps they could tweak the requirements to mori a survivor to make them feel less "unfair" so everyone can feel the "coolness" of moris rather than their "op-ness".

I’ll say Moris are only a issue cause you end up with scrub team mates. If the killer can’t catch ya he can’t hook ya no hook equals no mori. It’s the filthy casuals who can’t be bothered to learn how to abuse most killers.

You can go ahead and drop the mic now. 👍

If 4 survivors load into my lobby at once, I bring out my Ebony Mori. SWFs probably appreciate the balance I bring to the game.

I wouldn't use one otherwise.

If I bring an ebony mori to a match and you don't teabag or flashlight spam me during the game, I won't use it. But do that and you're dead. Only toxic survivors deserve the mori.

Lets look at it from killer side. 4 man swf as rank 12 killer. 2 medkits, 2 tool boxes. Purple coin offering to add 2 chests. Game is over in 4 minutes. Score board shows one rank 16 player and three players between the ranks of 6 to 4. 2 instaheals and a bnp.

Guarantee you that game was not fun for the killer and happens way more than an eboni mori.

Also 30 hours in you are still playing with newer people. I loved bringing moris when i started as killer because it did give me an advantage. Time goes by you get better and then decide you don't need to bring them anymore. Until you go up against a game like i described last paragraph lol.

Do ebony moris need some work? Yes they do. But outside of the top 3 or 4 killers, it is really the only OP and unfair killer item most killers can bring.

Killer is supposed to be the power role and yet so many of them rely on survivor plays that in actuality the survivors dictate the game. The mori is about the only thing that gives killer any real threat and even then good survivors can absolutely make a killer waste the offering,

Remember when mori's didn't require hooking the survivor first?

Good times

I do think that there's an argument to be made to change it so moris only work on death hook. Also that cypress mori should be base kit.

But, we still get objectives saying to kill someone with our own hand. (Mori) To do that without mori is rancor or devour hope. Can't rely on devour hope, although I did have a game last night where for once i got to mori someone half a second before they broke the totem but odds are usually stacked against you, especially at high ranks.

Anyway, the mori is really the only advantage against swf and therefor i just dont think they need to go away.

Sorry, didn't actually know that it was bannable when done at the loading screen. If I would have known I wouldn't have encouraged it. I was just thinking of a way that wouldn't really screw over everyone else's stuff, like the survivors who DC after they get downed once.

But yeah, don't DC, ignore my silly rant.

I like facing a mori, they make games far more intense and challenging. The possibility of additional chances being removed helps to break you of relying on the benefits of safety mechanics.

The only problem I have with mori's is when the killer doesn't move me to a clear area so I can properly see the Mori. All the animations are pretty cool and I enjoy watching them.

@Oshirigami

A survivor equivalent to a Mori would be Ressurection....not a slight chance to escaping.

I’ll trade moris for pallets. Fair? The game is already skewed to be advantageous to survivors, and moris only slightly balance that. A rank 1 swf group can bully a rank 1 killer to death. A rank 1 killer 99 times out of 100 can’t bully a swf group even with a with an ebony

@Mr_K I am not talking about lore... I'm talking about an equivalent to the Mori mechanic.

There is none.

First off, the killer role is not supposed to be equal to the survivor. Not every killer perk needs a survivor equivalent. Not every killer's power needs a counter. The survivor role is not one of a hero. It is the struggle to survive against an "unstoppable" monster.

Early versions of the game the arguable equivalent to the Mori was the BNP addon. A simple addon could do 20% of the survivor objective with a simple spacebar tap and four could be brought into a single trial. The old mori was able to do 25% of the killer's objective with the only requirement being they had to catch you first.

Old BNP and old Mori were arguably broken. I've had 0% gens completed in chase by the very survivor I was chasing. I've been Mori'd shorty after the start of a trial when one hook wasn't a requirement. Yeah it's not "fun".

But these "unfun" elements have been tone down. No longer are four survivors capable of completing 80% of their object in an instant as the killer is incapable of 25% in one chase.

When it comes down to it, the Mori is a selling feature of the game. To remove it or make it cumbersome to use will hurt the appeal and usefulness of a rare or ultra rare offering.

Is it impossible to win against an Ebony? No. Four man escapes are not uncommon even with a mori in play. As long as you and your team know how to hold M1 and not be a potato in chase, that Ebony will go to waste.

*slow claps*

A lot of assumptions there but I’ll give credit where it’s due.

Obviously I wasn’t asking for there to be an equivalent for survivors I was simply agreeing with OP that it is unfun in matches where the killer simply camps the hook to get that mori.

Secondly, that there is NO survivor equivalent to a Killer’s mori even tho the majority that play killer here want to believe that there is. I wasn’t saying there should be, ONLY that there currently isn’t a feature like that.

Ive won against Ebony moris before, I’m not arguing that point. However, I’m not going to sit there and lie to anyone and say that I don’t think they are crazy OP.

I play killer too and moris (IMO) are boring. They are cool the first 2-3 times they are used but after that they lose the coolness factor for me.