I got farmed this patch... i'm kinda tilted. On the other note tho:
Didn't face killer with tinkerer yet.
Dark Sense is cool tho
"How does one flashlight save?" Book number 4
Calm mind i used but with no effect for now.

AND I ALMOST CRAWLED THE ENTIRE MAP TO THE EXIT BUT THE HAG GRABBED ME AT THE LAST SECOND JESUS CHRIST

@jiminie said:
Hello everyone, so, this patch is trash, why's trash you may ask?
Well, now the killers are flash 2.0, picking survivors up at the speed of light, trash exhaustion nerf, flashlight saves gone to hell, can't juke/escape nurse (or extremely hardly to do so) , oh, did i say trash exhaustion nerf?i don't mind the BNP nerf, but why you touch all exhaustion perks if little baby killers complain about SB, ofc you couldn't just increase the cooldown right, why even bother?

and yeah, i'm triggered
sorry not sorry

Many experienced killers complained about it not baby killers. Only baby survivors who need their candy perks cry and call it trash. If you watch survivor mains in twitch none of them has any kind of problems.

Just did flashlight saves in KYF, it is still very possible, and not that hard once you got the timing down.

@jiminie said:

@Delfador said:

@jiminie said:
Hello everyone, so, this patch is trash, why's trash you may ask?
Well, now the killers are flash 2.0, picking survivors up at the speed of light, trash exhaustion nerf, flashlight saves gone to hell, can't juke/escape nurse (or extremely hardly to do so) , oh, did i say trash exhaustion nerf?i don't mind the BNP nerf, but why you touch all exhaustion perks if little baby killers complain about SB, ofc you couldn't just increase the cooldown right, why even bother?

and yeah, i'm triggered
sorry not sorry

Many experienced killers complained about it not baby killers. Only baby survivors who need their candy perks cry and call it trash. If you watch survivor mains in twitch none of them has any kind of problems.

I don't watch twitch, but i wonder why they ain't complaining, hmm...maybe because they stream this game for a living?It wouldn't be best for business right? hehe
Maybe because they have thousands of hours in this game? Look, i'm by no means a 'pro' player, but there are people like me who wants to have fun once in a while with SWF, and i don't mean toxic SWF, now, how can i have fun with toxic killers who straight up down you and face camp you, i admit, it's fun to a point because he's just wasting time and others are getting gens done, but match after match after match, no wonder killers got bullied like hell and still do, some deserve it, anyway, i feel like it's an unfair nerf overall, and as i said in an earlier thread, i had no problem slaughtering survivors with or without sprint burst, but meh, what can i do, i guess there'll be 75% of players playing killer

Then why do killer mains in twitch complain about the game all the time like tru3? They do the same job and earn money from it, not a good defense.

Killers want to have fun too. For you it is not fun to get killed because you want to play the game as much as you can and reach the end game and survive. For killers, it is not fun to not kill anybody, seeing them running away with sprint burst multiple times without a downside etc.

You need to play the killer side before you say something. And no %75 will not play killer side because it is too difficult for survivors. You can try and play killer side 10 games in a row and see how hard it is.

@megdonalds said:
Btw, using exhaustion perks multiple times during a chase shouldn't ever been a thing since game release.

exhaustion wasnt even around at game release lol sprint burst originally was cooldown only, only time we got exhaustion was when dead hard came out

This patch is easily one of the best things to happen to the game in long time.

@Hito420 said:

@Dragonredking said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEo1uZ5wMI
Oh no I can't use my crutches 2 time in a chases now!
How am I expected to survive?!?!
If the exhaustion perk nerf affect you so much, you are bad.
Sorry not sorry.

yet what about all the crutches killers use that (other than noed an bbq) are almost impossible to avoid? hell the doctor is one huge crutch killer with tracking perks built in, and removing the requirement for killers to run a certain perk just because most killers do so they were given tier 2 of it, why dont survivors get one of their main perks built in? (and no healing eachother doesnt count as self care)

and with the bnp change, the whole point of it was cuz killers complained about the match being too fast for them to get anything done right? what about the flip side, when killers run insta downs with ebony, shouldnt ebonies be made so you have to hook twice to mori instead of just the once? (not the other mori's only ebony cuz they can literally kill everyone an not DH either cuz you have to work for it)

sure you can be toxic an say "dont get caught" "git gud" etc etc but with the changes to the game not getting caught is getting more difficult to do, tell me a game where you werent caught once, cuz when killers run mori, thats all it takes they camp out around the hook, down you instantly, even if you have BT, you go down a few seconds later cuz it halves the time while being chased

There is no crutch perks other than NOED and BBQ and these two perks are so easy to avoid that even you don't want to use them as an example. Killers gave survivors so many advises how to avoid them. There is literally nothing I can do against a sprint burst.

Matches are already short. If survivors want to finish all the generators, there is nothing you can do against them with most of the killers. Only viable killers can put pressure on good survivors. Stupid BNP were making everything worse.

Doctor was my main but he is not good at all at high ranks. He is almost unplayable without addons. He is not 'crutch'

What is the point of mori if the killers are going to hook survivors twice? They can kill them with third hooks anyway? Also ebony mories are not something that you see in every single match. Sprint burst is in almost every single match.

Saying don't get caught is not toxic or git gud.

I can't tell how many games I play without seeing the killer. It is not that difficult

Oh my! How dare the Devs try to make DBD more balanced! Terrible just terrible.

@dezzmont said:

@jiminie said:
picking survivors up at the speed of light

I know that this is clearly a survivor overreaction to being nerfed, which is ironic because the game balance was nearly gutted to make pallets more intuitive for new players, but if your counting "faster pickups" as a major negative of the patch you likely are the kind of player the devs are trying to disempower with these patches.

Long anim locks on killers for things they HAVE to do which allow no counterplay punishes are bad game design and shortening the time allows killers who lack Franklin's Demise to either fake out rescuers for a hit because they need to be closer for the rescue or drive them off, which makes the game better.

Nothing about auto flashlight saves on the anim lock was good, and it is one of those things that was truly indefensible. So by trying to defend it you kinda out yourself as someone who shouldn't have an opinion. It was up there with those old infinite jungle gyms they had in terms of being toxic gameplay that shouldn't exist, because when used well there was no counterplay and it just means the killer literally can't progress the game.

I get not LIKING being nerfed, but if your argument is that it is unfair that you can't get a no-skill flashlight rescue automatically on the killer because they are literally forced to become incapable of moving their camera for a long enough period of time that you can move from the closest hiding spot to them without having to expose yourself at all or risk any serious consequence yourself for trying, you are either a bad player who thinks that all survivors legitimately need that because they are so bad they don't realize they are bad, or you are arguing in bad faith and know it isn't fair but want it anyway and are trying to re-contextualize it as necessary for you to be able to do this.

u do know the killer can spam the r key and drop the survivor to avoid being flashlighted right? there is a counter to flashlights. walls. spamming r. looking around and finding the little saver. this whole drop the survivor during a flashlight save is almost a guaranteed exploit to counter a flashlight save. the survivor must time the flashlight PERFECTLY or just get a successful blind after the killer animation is done (hoping the killer presses R AFTER you get the killer blind/stun combo.) lightborn. fire up. franklins demise. baiting the pick up. knock out counters everything but empathy. hex the third seal counters empathy. looking up works every time if the survivor doesnt time it perfectly and u look up properly. tons of counters to flashlights lol.

@jiminie said:
Hello everyone, so, this patch is trash, why's trash you may ask?
Well, now the killers are flash 2.0, picking survivors up at the speed of light, trash exhaustion nerf, flashlight saves gone to hell, can't juke/escape nurse (or extremely hardly to do so) , oh, did i say trash exhaustion nerf?i don't mind the BNP nerf, but why you touch all exhaustion perks if little baby killers complain about SB, ofc you couldn't just increase the cooldown right, why even bother?

and yeah, i'm triggered
sorry not sorry

Get over it.

Well, judging by my last 5 games, yeah this patch wasnt good. All of my games have had people dcing. Welcome to the derank meta boys and girls

Yep. When survivors are complaining like this, you know the patch is good.

It isn't even about killer vs. survivors... it's about what makes sense.

2.1 patch does a lot to balance this game out. Very well done.

Git Gud