If ruin, bbq, noed, adrenaline, ds and spine chill were removed, would we have a more fun game?
I honestly think yes
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why is spine chill mentioned here someones a salty stealth killer
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No, everyone would get tired of tunneling and for some people, they’d probably quit without ruin.
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What about moris, exhaustion add ons, dead hard, keys, all gens, gen rushing, tiles, corn in the cornfield maps, basement chests etc.
lets Just remove the everything.
new game: Dead by Emptiness
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No. Human nature is to label anything that is difficult as "toxic".
There would just be new ways of being "toxic".
No matter how easy/simple you make things, it will always be difficult for some people and we always have to adjust for the lowest denominator.
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Not particularly. Survivors would still hold the upper hand and arguably more so than in the current iteration at the highest level of play.
BBQ I still don't see why people yell about it.
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Not really. The same core problems kinda persist, only with weaker perks. In particular, losing Ruin on the Killer side and Adrenaline on the Survivor side with nothing to compensate would be pretty frustrating.
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Before I started equipping DS, I kept getting immediately tunneled out and had some matches where I was alive for less than a couple minutes. So, I certainly wouldn't have a more fun game.
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remove BBQ and killers will riot.
i demand my 2x BPs!
without the ability to make more BPs, the grind would suck all the fun out of this game (it already is very bad, now imagine only making 50% of the BPs you get right now with BBQ, that'D be horrendous!)
not to mention that BBQ was intorduced to be a perk that benefits the survivors just as much as the killer, by luring the killer away from the hook (= anti camping) and encouraging to hook new players (= anti tunneling).
if you wanna remove ruin, thats fine by me i dont run the perk, but then you gotta come up with a different idea to slow the game down. the current gentimes without ruin can be very ridiculous, so especially newer players will suffer from this.
and i honestly dont see the need to remove spine chill... its not even in the current meta, so why did you pick this one?
on the other 3 i do agree they can end up being rather unfun for the other side... though, most of them do come with counterplay attached to them.
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No..... and why the hell is spine chill up on the list?
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Speaking of which we need to buff WGLF to have an additional effect so it's not a wasted perk slot.
One of the ideas I came up with while brainstorming was a 6/8/10% stackable buff to non-repair/vault actions per token. Basically buffs the same stuff as leader but it's self targeting and it ramps from a smaller value.
But I'm sure there are plenty of other options. I don't think aura reading is the way to go unless we combine some other perk in with it (Kindred?)
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I rarely see it mentioned but for me the biggest issue I have is being one shotted. Nurses calling is up there too. Ruin BBQ and noed which is on survivors not toteming,is all fine.
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Killers would be upset if Adrenaline was removed or nerfed to oblivion like self care.
Adrenaline is a one time perk that helps only at the very end of the game, and only gives you one healing state. It's really not a powerful perk. If it gets nerfed to oblivion it will get replaced by something that helps all game and killers will be so upset. Just look at how upset they are that they got self care nerfed to dust.
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Don't remove any of them. I would not mind NOED being tweaked to a 1 minute timer, but not removed. It has a place with end game builds.
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....who in the hell would be mad at bbq and spine chill?
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Lol at even mentioning bbq and spine chill. If they took away the bloodpoint bonus from BBQ it would still see play, but it would be drastically reduced. I don't even know why you brought up spine chill at all. It's a decent perk that sees some play, but it is hardly rampant or game ruining.
But to actually answer your question, no, I don't think removing the top meta perks from the game would make the game a better experience. A new meta would evolve and we would all find those boring and annoying soon enough.
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Exactly this. The truth nobody wants to admit is, that if you remove one meta, another will take its place, and that goes for either side. Then suddenly, perks that nobody had a problem with will become 'unfair' and 'unfun' simply because they happen to benefit the other side and are used more often in place of what is taken away.
That's the problem with both sides trying to whittle down what works for the other side and constantly calling for nerfs just results in crappier perks because gods forbid the devs are allowed to come up with anything that might benefit the opposing side in any way.
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Absolutely not.
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In ranks 20-10 BBQ killed more people that all killers
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No there would be no killers and nobody for you to bully
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Why is it that i really dont give a damn if the opposite has meta strong perks? Play the game, this is no different than asking if looping was removed would we have a funner game. Fun for Who is what you really need to ask
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Hmmmm no.
I actually have close to no problems with any Perks these days.
Even Spine Chill is okay to me, and I'm a flipping Wraith.
My only "problem" is to see 4 Adrenalines pop.
That's very demotivating as this weaker M1 Killer. 😅
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HISS
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Why is Spine Chill even on the list ? That perk gets WAYYYY too many credits.
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