will they ever change legion?

Better more Nerfs than too less Nerfs. This way they can start buffing Legion.

Old Legion is one thing I will never miss. He was not even good, he was able to chase one person down, while losing the game because it took so long and he had no Map Pressure at all. He was basically a Nurse in one aspect (ignoring Survivor Defenses), but thats it.

I also think that removing FF on a Miss was a good thing. It was not scary at all, it just looked dumb. And it was kinda braindead to have like Unrelenting over 9000, to be able to miss like 5 times to get Hit Number 6 in.

I miss when legion didn't have a useless power

the thing with all the legion changes is, that they were not implemented with the intention to nerf the killer, rather to get rid of the unfun aspects of his power.

that, in fact, is the case with every single "nerf" he received during that time.

other changes that do not tie directly back to preventing the old legions unfun aspects can also be found, though those ended up buffing the killer (-> mms increase from 110% to 115%)

here's a list of changes and the reasoning behind them:

• the reduciton of Legions FF movementspeed: it was too easy for leggion to catch up to survivors after entering FF. there was no way of escaping the chase, since he would just press M2, ignore all your defenses and have cought up to you within just a few seconds. there was no skill needed to use the power.
• the vault speed reduction: this actually ties back directly to the very first change, though it was not intentional. it seems like the legion could vault things as fast as he was moving, so a reduction of the movement speed lead to a reduction of the vaulting speed.
• the legions attacks during FF no longer reducing the deep wound timer: because everyone hated that. he pressed M2, hit you and repeated that until you went down. there was no way to avoid that at all.
• the legion losing his FF after missing an attack: thanks to the 0 cooldown legion had after missing an attack, he could just spam the button until he hit someone. it was not possible to outplay a legion, as they would recover immediately and attack a second time right away. you could just not avoid being put into the deep wound status effect, so now a legion gets punished for getting outplayed.
• the deep wound timer not ticking down while in the killers TR: to avoid the legions moonwalk "tactic", where they would just turn around and follow the blood and scratchmarks of a survivor until the timer ran out and the survivor fell / they cought up to the survivor and just M1ed them.
• the killer no longer being able to see the deep wound timer: to avoid someone abusing the change above to track survivors. it would be like a pocked whispers, where you could always tell if someone with a deep wound timer was inside your TR or not.
• the stun increase after leaving FF: since legion is no longer a lethal killer during FF and has to break out, it would be very strong for them to just press M2, hit you, break out immediately and M1 you. thats why the stun they receive has been increased, so the survivor has a chance to get away.
• the increased FF time: to make up for the loss in movementspeed, the devs increased the overall time you are in FF. fun fact: with that change you travel more distance than before, even though the movementspeed is slower.
• the general movementspeed change from 110% to 115%: since his power is now only a secondary power, they have to be decent at normal chases without their power.

i believe thats it...

if i forgot something, just @ me and i'll add it to the list.

(i wont include add on changes... that would be waaay too long of a list then xD)

He had a counter. Almost everyone forgets that Legion cannot see scratch marks in FF chase. And also that sloppy butcher and bloodhound was kinda meta to them to get around that. But that is a tracking ability that is strong on every killer, Legion just could make use of it the most because of the ability. NB that this eats up half of your perks, so it's gotta be good.

Leaving that aside, many survivors did the pallet bait wrong. They returned way to fast to the pallet so that you could see their head. You need to time that right, and many people didn't do that. If someone knew how to do it right, it wasn't so difficult to get past the 6 seconds. I even managed some times to crouch back to the pallet, Legion get past me and then I didn't fault back over the pallet but followed Legion, to make him turn around and me leaving behind his back. No scratch marks for the win. Of course this doesn't work when already injured (without Iron will), but feels great when you manage to outplay Legion like that. And that's not the only situation where you can make use of the missing scratch marks. Breaking LOS and Quick and Quiet was pretty strong against them.

I used to main Legion also before the change and had regular 0 - 4k games with them. After the change I simply hate them. Nothing that was fun to play is left. The power simply gives an easier first hit, after that it is just pushing through the loops. If a survivor is too good at looping, I even go to tier 3 with Myers if I feel like, just to get the speed boost to hit the injured loop god. Legion has simply nothing.

And to be honest, for me it was no problem to "have no counter play" against Legion. I enjoyed the chase as long as it lasts, trying to buy as much time as possible for others to do the gen. I don't need to make a fool of all killers by any means. If I can't because of his power, I'm happy to take the advantage of longer chases by default and try to maximise it. And be even happier if I still manage to escape. And for example that the FF was ready within 2 seconds? That also means if Legion tried to optimize the Frenzy distance, a single 360 could be enough to get the stun and another distance boost.

But it is easier to just complain about all that doesn't fit into your playstyle than to find a way to deal with it.

@UlvenDagoth I know about the blood. This was actually one of the HUUUGE points that I totally did not understand why they changed it. There was literally no one complaining about it. The only complaints about that was the moonwalk abuse to track survivors backwards, but that is "outside" of the Frenzy! When they opened the questioning to ask things they should answer in their stream I asked them about taking position to every change and what they addressed with it. Sadly that was not asked often enough, they stated some of the changes but not all. And I'm pretty sure there is no straight answer to this change

I play Legion often also. they were my second favorite before the change and they still are. I agree other killers just feel easier, but Legion's killer instinct is a great asset to have. But when the time comes when Legion one day receives a buff, we will rise again.

Sounds like this is you saying "I miss receiving hate messages after using old broken legion".

Just run dark devotion.... EZ

If you think old legion was bad then you must have not been around for base 3 blink Nurse and Instant T3 Myers.

So the Freddy Rework never happened I guess?

Same for you. Poor mentality to spread lies like Killers dont get Buffs.

They don't. Killers really don't get buffs.

1: It took almost 2 years for Freddy too get a rework.

2: Legion got massive nerfs and hasn't been touched since despite the communty begging for it.

3: Bubba is pretty much useless unless you're basement camping.

4: Trapper is still not that good a killer and he's one of the three original

6: Wraith is too easy too spot even without Object unless on a small map, even if he does sneak up on someone he only can get 1 hit in before he has too enter Pallet Town.

7: Pig is just an M1 killer with traps that sometimes slow the game, but usually will get pulled off in the first or second box.

8: Doc's shock has a really bad delay that make's it's one good niche null.

8: Clown can't put pressure down too save his life.

All these killers need buffs, and they have needed them for a while, but still the devs refuse too touch them because they don't want to make the low ranks mad. It's not lies, it's facts. Killer's do not get buffs even when they need them.

what about hag? also, Doc will likely be getting the next add on rework, and they've said they're looking at Leatherface and Pig as well. they're slow to buff killers yes, but they have and are going to do it.

But it shouldn't take years like it has with Freddy. And just because they say they are looking into them doesn't mean they will. They said that Hitboxes are being looked into, and yet nothing has been done about them.

I played new Legion for the first time and was pleasantly surprised by his blood point and ranking up potential. I had many games I thought I had depipped, but Legion got the Brutal. I even got a Merciless with one hatch escape.

The scoring system is kinder to Legion than other killers. In particular Clown and Michael.

I also had some good comebacks with Legion in games I thought I would lose. The add ons seem pretty weak, but overall I am enjoying the points and steady rank ups.