From a Nurse main, she isn't dead.
The add on changes are a big thumbs up from me. Half of them aren't garbage anymore but I play 90% of my matches with no add ons anyways, sometimes a nit comb and watch. (Rip comb) anyways.
Most of the time when you are playing Nurse, you will use 2 blinks to get to a survivor, and they will run, and you may try to blink again. However, if you lose Line of Sight, you need to walk around for a bit as prediction can get you heavily punished if you fail. So you may try and walk around the corner or something.
On top of that, every 3 seconds a charge is replenished. After 2 blinks, you will be stunned 2.5 sec and recover the next .5 sec later so ~3.5 sec to reuse both. It isn't the worst, but I think Nurse didn't deserve a base kit nerf anyways.
Although, Nurse DEFINITELY needs a MS increase to at least 4.2 m/s now to compensate.
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the MS boost would be fair. overall im just happy the extra blinks are gone, nurses with 3+ really made the game unfun
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I absolutely agree people are overreacting way too much I also agree with increasing her movement speed a bit
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Touching base nurse was wrong.
Right now without a speed increase she is trash, this a big nerf
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Shes not trash, are you blind? She will still be better than Spirit. Just harder to play, and I'm fine with that. Also less fun...
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As you say, you were able to play Nurse without add-ons until now. She will now become an add-on dependent killer.
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You are right about that... Billy is the only killer not add on dependent. (Trust me, spirit mostly is. Never see spirits without them)
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When a killer becomes decent only due to their addons it's a problem.
I don't think this nurse will be decent at all, we will see.
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I know, base-kit phase walk is too short.
Aren't Billy changes in the making as well? I don't see anything good coming from this.
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You're assuming the 3 second delay occurs during fatigue and not after. An optimistic assumption. Why go through the task of making a separate cool down when extending the fatigue time would work the same.
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It was stated in the patch notes that recovery of your blinks starts at the beginning of the fatigue. Read them again.
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you still get 3.5 seconds after the fatigue for the second blink to be ready, even with the best addons it seems you still get 2 seconds of cooldown as opposed to base current nurse.
Thats a big nerf because you are left with a weaker version of base nurse add on dependent, that's an issue
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The people who think this is okay. The problem is her BASE power is bad. What survivor can't already see how to abuse this and make a mockery of the once strongest killer. This is the only killer where one can be on equal grounds with a survivor SWF.
Correction: Not anymore
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3 seconds per blink.
6 seconds for both.
It can take 4 blinks to cross a map in order to even find survivors.
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Dead Hard will hurt her so, so bad.
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Love people who cry about nurse nerf are people who use Nurse in order to get to red ranks. PTB hasn't come out yet and some killer mains are already crying.
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I am so upset!
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I personally think it's fantastic that survivors have a bit more counterplay against Nurse in general. The nerf to Nurses base kit sounds fine to me personally.
Maybe her having 4.1 M/S would be fine, but not more than that in my opinon. If she is faster than survivors than it's harder for them to break LOS anyways. Which is the one counter survivors have against Nurse, which is why that counter is getting buffed a bit.
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Isn't kind of backwards to say these changes are fine, but then say she needs a fairly substantial speed boost to compensate for them?
It isn't just her chase power that takes a hit, her map pressure gets significantly worse as well. What's the point of teleporting to gens if you can't immediately go after the Survivors who run away from your 32m TR? I kind of think she needs 28m TR and the increased movement speed to make up for this.
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I am as well! I'm not even playing her but I know how important it is to have her at the high ranks with multiple toolboxes and insta-heals.
I hope the devs reconsider these changes.
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Agreed and even so she won't be as good as current base nurse
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Peanits basically confirmed that the 6 seconds recharge starts before the fatigue so you will wait like 3 seconds to use 2 blinks.
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I hope you are right mate, I am very skeptical though, survivors have lobbied against nurse for so long , I doubt they will give up the pressure
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If they also gave her that movespeed increase then yeah she might be alright. However, that remains to be seen. I think without the movespeed increase she is looking very rough right now. Either way she doesn't look like the top tier killer anymore.
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Except that is a scenario that doesnt happen often to begin with. You are thinking about the worst case scenario to justify her previous state. People still play this game solo none SWF, and don't run insta heals or purple toolboxes everygame. Believe it or not, bud.
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Honestly, I don't think the devs will reconsider. I would be pleasantly surprised, but it's not realistic.
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I don't know about your high-rank matches but those of most players don't consist of Spinechill and brown medkits.
If Nurse is gone, what can a killer still do against these groups? Dodge the lobby?
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You can ask the devs to get rid of purple toolboxes and the ability to insta heal a downed survivor. I hardly see these at red rank end screen lobbies anyways. It's usually like one dwight, but I know there are SWF who abuse this.
Let's not justify one evil because of another evil, and instead ask the devs to remove those items. There are people with hundreds of them they don't even use. There are some people out there who arent scumbags.
Plenty of people were running into Nurse all the while survivors had no items. I know because it happened to me a lot.
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I’d hope for an increase to like 4.1 or 4.05 because then she wouldn’t be easily faster but fast enough that running in a straight line would bully you, because you have to remember she can completely ignore pallets and windows
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So we should dumpster the best killer who HAS COUNTERPLAY might I add, just because the single most game-breaking thing(SWF) isn't game breaking every single game?
Why should I have to suffer on a killer because I got a death squad? At least with Nurse I had a chance to fight back. Now when you get a good team it's just gonna be look in the corner for 3 minutes.
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Base Nurse was SS tier for years. Survivors have been brought down several pegs. The idea people are enraged about this Killer getting dropped down a peg or two herself is hilarious. You can't have a Killer SS tier when Survivors were at their strongest point be the same power level when Survivors have been brought down to their weakest point they have been at.
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You do know survivors are still tremendously stronger than most killers right?
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You make it sound like base-kit Nurse without add-ons was the same as multiple insta-heals.
Base-kit Nurse is fine. Only some of her add-ons needed adjustments, that's all.
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Isn't the average 3K now? Strong as ever?!? Totally not.
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We depip when we 3k 50% of the time.
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So you think the average should be 4K?!? That explains a lot. You do realize Survivors want to win some to... right? And getting a 2K is a good match?!? Typically 0K and 4K matches would be considered bad matches. A 3K match is already Killer favored. As 1K would be Survivor favored.
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But people disconnecting is more common than legendary sweaty 4 man SWF running the meta and instaheals. I mean I find it laughable how many people on here act like every other match is some professional e sports team of toxic behavior and ignore the 85% of the matches they rofl stomp casuals or solos.
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I agree with literally all you said here. I'm a nurse main in red ranks too. Movement speed could be 105% maybe.
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SWF is not a problem for me at most M1 killers and at any ranks. Just need to know what pressure is. Balance, according to the devs - 2 kills. A killer that destroys much more than this value is clearly not balanced.
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Almost every Billy spam with charge time add-ons in red ranks. The ones that don't won't get any chainsaw unless the survivors messed up badly.
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Torn Bookmark looks strange, 3 blink in exchange for the inability to teleport through the walls is too high a price, it seems to me few people want to pay it. Maybe better remove the debuff in this addon, or increase base speed moving.
Spasmodic Breath also look not so good. It’s unlikely that anyone will want to be a walking killer without power for 60 seconds. This may work only once from the effect of surprise.
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She’s just a m1 killer now who will get teabagged at high rank lol
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Oh wow, how tragic, meanwhile Leatherface is still walking across the map to find survivors.
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*cries in Legion Main*
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That's commentary on a weak killer. He just needs a buff no need to cry about Nurse baby surv.
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I'm not crying about nurse. You're mistaking me for Mr. K.
I don't need to be told I'm a baby survivor by a killer who actually thinks survivors are tremendously stronger than killers.
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That would need testing but I have a feeling that in it's form as described nurse won't be able to catch up to survivor if they just run straight after the initial hit.
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I feel like now that she won't be disgustlingly OP anymore maybe there's room to buff her base MS to 100% (same as running survivors) just as a QoL change. But I don't think it's necessary by any means.
Good Nurse players ain't missing attacks too much anyway.
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Not assuming. Theyve stated it starts as soon as fatigue does.
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Incompetants !
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"her add-ons get a thumbs up from me".
Okay so.
Instantly blowing your second blink bc you fully charged ur first one is a thumbs up from you? (Campbells).
Having a useless scream if you pass a Survivior with your blink, which you aren't supposed to do, is a thumbs up from you? (Anxious).
Being reduced to a 115 killer with literally no power for 60 seconds for successfully blink attacking is a thumbs up from you? (Spasmodic).
Getting one extra blink at the cost of being neutered by a LOS block is a thumbs up from you? (Bookmark).
Losing one blink in exchange for being a 105 killer is a thumbs up from you? (Comb).
Really? Really?! These 5 add-ons are literal garbage.
You're even here saying "yeah this base kit nerf was unnecessary and they didn't really compensate her for it" and when you do the math it's borderline impossible to catch a Survivior if you continue chasing after a double blink.
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