How can so many not understand what free to play means???

If only there was a pay me to play type of game then I'd be rich.

While POE and Fortnite may allow the game to be played 100% for free that only happens due to the playerbase size and those that do spend silly amounts of money on the items not needed to actually play. Basically those others pay for your free content if not for them there would be no game.

Much like this and other games thw other revenue streams help the prolong the games existence and keeps what is needed to play lower priced.

You can buy the game and dlc's if one wishes but all you ever need is the base game. The only actual dlc you have to pay for are the licensed ones which make sense since the licensee needs paid.

Every game is different.

DBD is a grind game for perks, items and cosmetics.

Destiny is a grind for loot game to do the higher content.

DOTA is a grind for characters and cosmetics.

COD is a grind to level up and gain more weapons and add-ons.

Most games have something hidden behind the normal play which keeps you coming back. Each one has a different business model but as long as what you need is an acceptable price that is all that matters and others help fund the game more by buying what is not needed.

Business is business they are in it to make money. The way to do this is to make something the consumer wants to part money for and feels it is worth it. 20% of the customers make up 80% of revenue is an old saying that holds true for lot of companies.

This game is buy to play

That being said, I've kinda changed my mind about the battle pass

I'm okay with it IF and ONLY IF, the dedicated servers launch and they are awesome. Then I can justify them looking for more money and even consider buying into it. They're putting out the cost of running servers - that justifies the income.

But that is the fallacy they want you to believe (and why this "free" method takes in far more than a subsc ription).

I agree that a quality service shou!d be reimbursed and so should good, quality work. But that line becomes greyed with gambling boxes and "collection" items ( ie cosmetics). There is nothing to collect because despite how.much money you spend, the game could shut down at any moment, this you never really "own" any of it. When you have cosmetics, it preys upon collective and gambling personalities.

There are great resources available online that explain it far more intelligently than I can and I beg that anyone that believes this monetization scheme is "ok" please take a look at them. If, after a deeper understanding of how this marketing works and does take advantage of folks you still believe it is acceptible, then obviously you are free to believe and partake in it. Keep in mind this is a fairly new scheme so people aren't quite as aware of it yet (much like tobacco in the 50's).

I just don't believe that many people understand how "free" games truly operate (they are free for some but DEEPLY costly to many). It goes far beyond the superficial "model" that most people (including myself in past games!) Fall for.

@Endstille

My mistake I had LoL in my head. Haven't played either in years.

Denigrating users because of what you perceive their age to be is inappropiate.

There are ways to earn money without employing anti-consumer techniques such as battlepass systems. An example: Behaviour. They managed to grow without such a system off one game, despite developing and releasing a second game during that period of growth.

DBD is far from Free to play, The Base game is Pay to play and Content/DLCs after that also costs money. Yes it doesn't have an online subscription fee but it's not a Free to play game, If it was the base game would be free.

The irony in making a post with this title and then not knowing what free to play means is so strong.

Sorry but I don’t agree. Free to play hasn’t had a change in meaning. Neither has gay for that matter. You’re not using the term correctly.

Being given to and having to purchase is entirely different.

Free has never changed it's meaning. So, you can't really make that comparison.

(Free always means free, and there's a huge list on free. "Free as in not confined or controlled" etc.)

Me spending $10 or $20 dollars out of my pocket, real physical actual cash on anything, is me purchasing that product. It is not free. I don't walk up to a sandwich shop asking, hey what free content you got? Unless they have free samples, they would tell me nothing and move along. Further, if I went and bought a sandwich and consumed that sandwich, I would say I paid for it, in exchange of currency. Now, do I make monthly installments on that sandwich? I would say no. If I continue to go to the sandwich shop, I suppose one could argue the I have a subscription there?

Now, If i spent money on a sandwich and walked out without a receipt and a cop stopped me and asked did you pay for that? I would NOT tell them, "No sir, I got it for 'Free'". If you pay for something, its paid for.

The assumption of gaming industry is you pay (This may vary with people). Unless it is stated that it is free, or it is stated it's subscription based. (3 options).

There are free games, there are paid games (Formerly pay to play?), there are subscription games (Aka a pay to play, or pay to keep playing would be clearer.... to each their own.). Perhaps, that alone caused confusion.

Free to play is used in contrast to the pay to play, in which obvious payment is required before using the service, this pay to play, sort of got construed, into subscription payment "model". So, games you pay for ONE time, are usually referred to as paid games, or even to some pay to play, or not even at all because it is assumed. (I.E. I paid for that game).

Free games, need to make money too, so they make certain content or things like cosmetics etc. in order to make a profit. Some employ "freemium" features, microtransactions. Service-base monetization is often the only way to keep those games alive. Usually, this won't employ a pay-to-win but some do. Pay-to-win is when a player can gain any advantage over non-paying players. Content in free games, is usually cosmetic, or adds no advantage etc. Some companies do not need to make a game have ANY paid content and it is purely just "free", I.E. no payment and have ALL the content.

There are different variations of payment games, but free will always be free.

I.E. If this game is free, than I would like my money back.

Also, there are some scammers and such that will say FREE but have hidden charges or fee's in whatever it is. I do not consider those free either. Just because they say it is, doesn't mean it is. That's why I consider it a scam. You are hiding and deceiving a person in order to make profit.

Note: This game is actually "free" on steam during some weekend special "Free" playtime. But usually no longer than a weekend. For those days it is free and playable to every one, but time limited.

Free will never change it's meaning with me.... Unless Webster tells me so o.o

F2P is to get you to play. The money comes after.

This game ain't free to play to begin with since you have to pay to play the game in the first place

The main issue I have with the latest money grab they have implemented is that I still can't take the dlc Ive bought from xbox and use it on pc.

I should have bought it on the pc instead, sure... but now I've dumped somewhere near 80 bucks into my account on xbox and I can't use it on the pc at all.

I would be fine with that, except that now, to top it all off, they have a new moneygrab they want to drain their playerbase with, without any compensation.

I bought this game before it was made free through xbox game pass, I bought it for my wife, I brought in over 10 of my friends to buy this game (many of which didn't stick around because of the blatant issues).

I refuse to buy the same DLC all over again AND to be slapped in the face by the new premium battle pass BS. I won't even waste my time taking part in it if this is how our "new content" is going to be.

Okay i get what you are saying but LOOK AT THE PAST!!! Before you only bought the game and that was it, even for free games the extras in it werent as much as they are today. Like in the old games you could get a game for free and the extras would be a bunch of skins that wont cost more than 3$ or an season pass that cost a total of 30$. Now a days we have season pass that cost 60$ and skins that cost more than 10$ which is why so many players are upset. The problem is the devs think every child/teen playing their game either free or cost believe we are made of money even though we arent. So child cant get a new expansion due to the high prices. Like if for example i got 5$ per month as pocket money for me to get every dlc in dbd i need to wait at least around 10months and not everyone is so paiten where before you could buy at least 2 add ons/dlc for the cheaper price.

You say we need to consider the point of view of the developers but look at our point of view we have to work hours for thoses of us who can get jobs to get the dlc. Look at some kids they dont get poket money nor can they get a job due to them not being old enough nowadays. I think the problem is the developers are slowly adding in more and more things people can only get though real life money which isnt fair for gamers who arent rice nor have a job. Look at the dlcs. Most at the start up around the spirit you could get either though in game shards mean you need to grind or buy paying real life currency. Now look at most the dlcs. You have to waist real money and cant use shards any more and this probably what the devs will do.

Look at their character the ones they made themselve i would pay for that due to its their own work were as the dlc linces character are more character they didnt create in the sense they already had an image and back story cuz of the killers being in movies before the game was made which is where i dont want to pay as much cuz its not their work. Look at the new dlc stanger things. It cost 12$ which is extremly expensive. Normally a killer and survivor plus a map cost 7$ (i live in the EU so here it cost that) so basically that is saying to add 1 extra survivor in it cost 5$ extra which would seem a bit over price for me and some player. And by making it feel way over price some will think its more of a scam which is why some complain like for example 1 of my friends thinks its a scam.

As well if we go even though back then all you got was a game and that was it, no extra dlcs, no extra content and no extra stuff and the price was the same as now. You said it isnt like paying for a subscript by add these stuff in like the battlepass even though it is. Each month if you want the battlepass you have to pay the same amount like a subscription the only differences is this isnt automatic which it might be later on who knows. So what you said is technically false due to the battlepass they added in is like a subscription if you want the cool items. If they added a bunch more cooler stuff and a small amout of auric cells in the free one it will be less of a sub but they dont some games they do this a little bit but for others they done.

You talked about dedicated servers. I would rather pay 60$ for a game rather than get it free if the dedicated servers are going to be the same as they are now due to for a lot i have seen they are trash. More broken hits are their, if you and the killer lags now you will see more ######### hits which isnt very fun if you want to escape or have fun. As well the skill checks wont always be on the point mean you can fail more skill checks.

I look at both sides when i play a game and talk about why did they this or they need to change this or this is a scam or this is overprice make it free. The problem is with this game is if you have an opinion about some change or the killers tier list or something like this, most people will come down on you hard about how you dont play this game or this is a troll or your a liar or your idea suck. And even worse the devs make the game more toxic by actually telling in some way to killers they should camp like one perk that basically tells you to camp near the hook. And they dont fix broken stuff instead they try to fix already fixed stuff or balance stuff making them either broken in a good way or in a bad way. Like they nerf in the ptb the insta heals but not the ebony mori. Why did they do that? We had a powerful thing and they had a powerful thing instead of nerfing/changing both they just make one side weaker. I have nothing against most of the moris cuz they are balance except the ebony. You only need to hook them once and then you can end their game resulting in most games for player can last less that 5mins depending on how fast you are found.

Overall i would rather pay 60$ to 100$ for a game due to most games at those prices dont have lots of bugs, glitch and they try to make fair balances. As well they dont ban people for using over op stuff that is broken they just remove it or change it for example when the legion had the infinte mend, the devs make a in game message saying that if you were using this you could get banned which isnt fair. As well i heard when the wake up perk was broken they would ban anyone who used this (This one about the wake up perk i just heard i dont know if its true). I would say this is bad stuff to do like oh you going to using the ingame stuff well i will just ban you cuz of this. The worst part of it all of the legion broken stuff was some actually didnt get the ingame message. 1 of my friends i talk with later learn nearly before they fixed it that it was a bannable offense from a friend, he never got the in game msg and before anyone says oh many he did and just does read the stuff. He alreays reads all in game messages if they pop up even if he knows whats its about.

Summary:

Yes people do need to see if from the developer point of view but as well the devs needs to see the point of view from the people which they dont always do for some reason

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