Spirit doesn't need to be weakened, but made more difficult
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As someone who just recently picked up the Spirit, I can wholeheartedly agree that Spirit needs some kind of change. I'm not generally that good as Killer (despite somehow getting to Rank 12), and managed to get a (nearly) Perfect game (32,000 BP and Double Pipped) on every one of my first few (my first 5) public games (at Rank 13) as Spirit.
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Another nerf spirit thread, I wish we had as many threads about maps being trash that actually effect why most killers aren't as good as they should be cause it's amazing to me that maps like bloodlodge, haddonfield and farm maps are in the game still.
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Okay let me clarify something. I find 0 problems with Spirit. I made this thread in hopes to reduce the damage that will be done to her. With all these threads it's bound to happen, I'm trying to find a way to make them not as bad.
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No matter what you do they are gonna do too much, nurse's base, and legion as a whole are proof of that with more threads they will cave and nerf everything that was suggested making it more of a chore to play and leave it on the back burner for years to adjust it.
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these smartass responses don't help anyone
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they didn't gut nurse only the people who were bad at nurse now let's talk about those legion changes that's the definition of gutting
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No offense, but you can play the worst killer in the game, not use their power and double pip at that rank. At rank 13 the game is heavily killer favored and survivors are potatoes. You can get a 4K with ease with any killer at around that rank just by walking around. No killer or perk should be balanced around rank 13's and bad players.
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Rin... I know you're a great commenter and a great player, but I cannot express how bias you sound. Respected though! Gotta keep our mains in check.
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Her base kit is fine as is. Two changes need to be made, and that's it. 1. Swap the rarity of fathers glasses and prayer beads; the latter is much stronger and game changing. 2. Make it easier to tell if she's phasing. I've heard people say that there are subtle changes, but I haven't noticed them yet. I like the idea of making her stand still or go silent when phasing. You would know she's using her power, but she could use this against you to mindgame.
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Yep. Because collision is so easy counterable by just not standing in her way. You just need a brain. xD
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Eh they will just give her the nurse treatment and then people wont play her
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This was all I was linked too.
I might have to find a better person tbh
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"Spirit is difficult to master"
Literally all you need is a brain, headset, and a functional pair of eardrums.
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Absolutely annihilated lol
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What do you think of Spirit having a "tell" for when she is phasing. By that I mean, when she begins phasing there would be an animation cue that observant survivors can look out for that warns she is phasing.
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Look at the addendum at the bottom of the May stats post , it's 80% because people who depip don't count as rank 1 or 2 the 20% is no rank change
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There is a thread on the forums tryin to list counterplay for the spirit. I disagree survivors do not need more counterplay, they have to use what is given already before they cry about nerfs and additional counterplay. People bein lazy is no excuse.
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“1 out of 100 games is swf at red ranks” that’s literally the worst joke I’ve heard in my life.
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Yes, very easy to not bump into a killer you can't see.....😑
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Okay...much work to do here.
Example: You stand behind a dropped pallet and she stands still, what do you do?
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"it's 80% because people who depip don't count as rank 1 or 2 the 20% is no rank change"
This is your inference from the data, not a fact.
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This is one of the few nerf proposals I can get behind. Considering she already has scratch marks and sound in phase, I don't think she should have collision. My only issue is I'm not sure this could be fixed without creating more problems.
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Walk away from the loop. What's that got to do with the Spirit bumping into a survivor during phasing?
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Uh... have you played spirit? No. Collision is one of the few ways the Spirit can locate people while phasing... if you don't have a good headset.
There are ways to counter her, you just need to learn. It's the same for Nurse and any killer, really.
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Nurse needed her blinks for movement, not just a chase. That was never what anyone besides survivor mains wanted. It was a nerf she didn't deserve. Her addons absolutely needed reworks, but not her base kit. It was really severe and not necessary.
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Nah, when I first started learning Spirit, I found her just as difficult... but then I'm on console, so maybe it's mechanical skill as well... : P
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Ad hominem arguments are worthless and make you look bad. Stop targeting the person and go for the ideas. The only reason you wouldn't is if you know your idea just doesn't work.
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learn how to counter this killer already instead of crying the whole time so she gets nerfed. kids
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She’s very frustrating to go against, but I’m gutting her isn’t the answer.
• She should move grass and corn
• Her footsteps should be as loud as Wraiths’
• Prayer Beads needs a rework or a downside.
That’s really all I can think of. She doesn’t need hardcore nerfs. She’s always going to be an annoying killer to face not much you can do about it though. Guess you gotta bring out your Iron Will and make it a main perk.
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She still needs a nerf. You basically have to give up a perk slot for iron will at red ranks or you are a free down to any competent spirit; and there are a lot of them. No killer should be that prominent.
There is basically no counterplay to a good spirit beyond walk when she starts phasing, run iron will, and hope she sucks. That's why it's no fun to play against her.
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I don't think this will change anything at all.
1: Good Spirit players use their ears not collision.
2: Collision also lets the survivor know where the Spirit is for that DH play.
3: No collision means window blocking/pallet blocking (sometimes it would have resulted in a hit anyway but not always). Remember when Wraith had no cloak collision? "Race Car" build Wraith was changed for this exact reason!
4: Body-blocking your survivor teammate who was injured won't be as useful.
The only real benefit for survivors with no collision (that I can think of) would be "new Spirit players (who probably aren't great with phasing anyway) and Prayer beads gen grab (but honestly that add-on is going to be changed later anyway).
I feel Spirit is fine (aside from that Prayer add-on) and worry that people are getting on this "collision" train without thinking everything through.
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Because you are able to predict where she's phasing. Walk away sometimes. Stand still at some point. There are a few mindgames you can play with her, but some people seem to refuse to do it.
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I play her at rank 1 killer and i dont even main her and get 4ks. Spirit isn't hard, shes SO easy to play, standing still and phase walk aren't complex mechanics.
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@Victory I was just going to say... you can argue how much you don't want Spirit nerfed, but don't pretend like she is HARD to play as when all you need is good ears.
Her weakness (not be able to see survivors only their scratchmarks) has no value when you can clearly hear them grunting because some of them are so loud.
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Should they make her phase sound louder from her pov like it was in the ptb?
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Your not wrong it is a little bs when a spirit has no idea were you are but bumps into you i would be on the fence for this change. Its a potential nerf but i feel like we could do something else than this such as make it so scratch marks have a delay to when they appear such as they appear like two or one second after the survivor was there but i hope that everyone agrees that prayer beads are stupidly op.
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How is making something more difficult not weakening her?
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Ah interesting, hadn't seen that thank you.
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Spirit doesn’t need nerfing, removing collision isn’t a nerf anyways, she’ll just be able to block the pallet ahead of you instead.
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But how she could be more difficult to play as?
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Imagine survivors telling the opposition something needs to be made difficult.
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Ok, really? Spirit is harder than Billy? I don’t think I’ve played something easier than the spirit in any videogame ever.
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Billy is the easiest red rank viable killer. Do you actually play killer at rank 1?
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Yes I do and I have been for two years. Billy is not as easy as Spirit.
Billy cannot negate a jungle gym, cannot negate a pallet and cannot negate long “infinites” (please allow the word). Billy needs to fully charge his chainsaw before using it while being seen by everyone. Billy actually has to aim while mindgaming in order to use his chainsaw on a good survivor.
Spirit doesn’t care about any of that. Spirit just uses her power and guess at 50/50 where the survivor doesn’t know which 50 you chose.
I main Trapper and Legion so trust me my life in the red ranks can be hard. I am a very bad Hillbilly and I don’t seem to get better at him, while I actually play the Spirit when I want to relax and have easier games.
I’m always killer-sided on “nerf/buff/change” etc topics but I 100% understand ALL the survivors complaints about the spirit.
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