Anyone Else Notice Survivors Got More Powerful Lately?
I don't know if gen speeds are bugged and faster or people have just started using toolboxes every game but something has definitely changed for the worse. Just 4 days ago, every single game I played I was getting 4ks with 5 gens remaining and now I am depipping with 2 kills every single match. Before someone states it is rank reset so I am playing with higher rank survivors, I am a rank 1 killer. I used to be able to just casually play Trapper at rank 1 and never lose but now I am never winning. I even switched to Spirit and the same results are still coming out of my games (P3 Spirit player who has played since release). I don't want to always win mind you but something has changed. Why are we faced with two extremes like this in matchmaking? Is anyone else experiencing this? Either way, the gen speeds I am seeing shouldn't be possible and my try hard games are now worse than my casual ones due to this (btw every game I am using as an example is with ruin up and never broken except before when I was dominating even with it gone).
I never really like to use the term "gen rush" but I don't see how gen speeds are fine right now. They are supposedly 80 seconds based on some wiki information but that simply isn't possible as 3 gens are done by the time I down my first person within 30 seconds of the match starting. This means every single person was solo on a gen and did each in 30 seconds. Even without ruin, this shouldn't be possible so I don't see how it is with it as the survivors keep confirming to me that they failed many skill checks those games. Is there a new bug to do gens faster or something that people have figured out? I just want to understand what is going on.
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You are facing better survivors now. Nothing ingame has changed besides Dedicated Servers. To casually play Trapper at rank one just shows you were facing high grade potatoes.
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I'm seeing alot of object, swf getting at least 2-3 gens done in barely over a minute. Been like that since the hotfix.
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Play spirit and you will never have problem with toxic SWF or gen times
Edit: I've just seen that you tried her too. Well if you also fail with spirit, I don't know what else to suggest
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Everyone Is using their best addons that they saved from the blood hunt. This is also a contributing factor; thus, more difficult for killer. Also, rank reset time is the season for swf even with incorrect ranks.
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Try running franklins, has made a huge difference.
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Prove Thyself is getting huge, friendo.
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Thank you to everyone replying, leaving suggestions, and trying to help me understand what has been going on/what to do going forward. I didn't think about this being an aftereffect of the bloodhunt, swf specifically, or prove thyself becoming more popular. It very well could be a combination of the 3 with toolboxes, communication to avoid me and the tools my power provides, and other perks to speed up gens like prove thyself and resilience. I do think that, if that's the case, this shows a big problem when perks paired with certain items changes the game that much.
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The only thing I can come up with is that less and less people want to go through the struggle of playing solo and therefore start playing SWF (which is obviously more powerful than solo). At least on higher ranks.
I by myself play less and less solo, it's to frustating with all the potatoes. I play in 4 men SWFs nowadays. Without voice comms, just a premade team of members who are around my skill level. And oh boi, I tell you the difference is insane. I never got frustrated anymore. It's really fun, we win a lot because everyone has the experience and game sense (we all tighter have around 15k hours playtime) and when we die it's purely because the killer was better and stronger than we all together and not because of a potatoe throwing the match by stupid decisions.
So yeah, might be more SWF.
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No, the problem are the servers. They are the biggest possible nerf to killers. While you where the host you wont desync, but you do now: Hits are going to miss which hadnt missed before. Sometime you need double action on gen regression or pallet break because your animation got cancelled, you grab animation got cancelled etc etc etc. Happened here and there you lost a second or two and another one or three. You didnt notice it always but it happen even when your ping is "great"
And time is your game and you lose this hard thanks to the desync. Why should survivors start to play more swf today or get suddenly better when there is this one obvious change.....
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Gen speeds are the same, and there is not a way to accurately measure toolbox usage, but i think that is more on you than on the game
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People shouldn't have to play a killer they don't like just to have a chance to win and Spirit can still be gen rushed by optimal teams.
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Playing casually as trapper at rank 1 I think red rank has many bad survivors and you have been matching with more swf lately.
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I understand where you're coming from, but nothing has changed with survivors. Gen rushing will probably always be a thing, and if you're playing against a good group of survivors who know how to work as a team, you'll most likely just get looped the whole game by one or two people who know what they're doing. It's not surprising now because of rank reset just a few days ago. Good luck with you're future games.
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People are reporting that on dedicated survivors are going faster then they should, making chases harder to win.
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Time to slap NOED on, not that it'll activate half the time. As killer, you've gotta use everything that's available to you, or you lose.
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Guess you’re lucky streak ran out. The fact you were using trapper in red ranks suggests you weren’t versing the full power of red rank survivors..
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I don't believe you're estimates. 3 gens could not be done when you downed a survivor in 30 seconds with Ruin active. That's not how any of this works. I'd be more inclined to believe that it took you 30 seconds to find someone, 45 seconds to hit them twice, and 10 seconds to hook them. And even then, I find it hard that 3 gens will be done. Even with my Commodious Toolbox with two speed add-ons, I still couldn't get a gen done in 30 seconds, and that's even if I hit all the Ruin Checks on great. Clip or it didn't happen.
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Most likely swf groups with low ranks amongst them
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Please don't, I hate Franklins.
Anyway as others have said, you're likely just fighting better survivors now for whatever reason. I suspect Rank Reset has something to do with it even if you're a Rank 1 killer. Survivors didn't get any kind of buff so this is just a matter of the skill level of your opponents changing.
The other big possibility is dedicated servers. The truth is, as the host the Killer has a huge advantage in terms of latency. With Dedicated Servers this advantage is gone and all of a sudden you suffer through the lag that survivors normally have to go through. A few milliseconds of lag might not seem like much but in a game like this it's huge when you're playing for keeps.
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There was recently a bug with Wake Up that caused it to apply the speed buff to all actions but that was quickly removed. I seen someone mention an increase in Prove Thyself and I agree I have seen alot of people running it lately, accompanied with leader it's a pretty incredible speed boost
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Recent? That bug happened in like June lol
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I also think given that you're pretty high ranks alot of your opponents will be swf duos or groups. If it still seems off to you (although difficult during a match) try to make a note of the times and if it's a significant boost without the use of perks maybe bring it to the devs attention.
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Leader doesn't boost gens and Prove Thyself only boosts 10%
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Literally no killer can counter a 4 man swf now after nurse gets nerfed
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OMG no one cares about Nurse! She's bad and will still be bad for most ppl.
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I main spirit and I assure you I destroy SWF with her in rank 1. After nurse nerf she is only one that can deal with them
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Insta heals are getting nerfed
Object of Obsession is getting "nerfed".
People are using these things more now because of the upcoming changes. So, the imbalance and insanity of these abilities is showing more. And it's shown even worse with the SWF teams, which further fuels hatred towards swf or possible swf teams.
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Bruh you arent going against good survivors then. There was a tournament even thst the top killer was leather face because he secured 1 kill
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How is she bad, shes the only one that's actually a good killer, spirit is decent but isnt nearly as good
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What! Impossible. The game is survivor-sided, haven't you heard? It's impossible you can't possibly be destroying SWF at Rank 1 with a killer!
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They are good, they just don't know her counters. I only struggle when I face a team who knows how to play against her but this is rare. I remember one time I faced a 4man SWF who knew everything about Spirit. They managed to finish 4 gens and I was really sweating 😂 , so I decided to slug them and fortunately got 3 kills.
It's survivor sided when we play any other killer apart from pre rework nurse or spirit.
But when we play these two particular killers, it becomes balanced
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What are you saying xD literally I'm red rank and it's been MONTHS since I met a good Nurse. XD
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Can confirm. I even posted about something similar myself. Although for me, every now and again, it's my speed that seems affected. It feels like I'm walking through mud as killer. I mean, that could be the survivors going slightly faster I guess but it's so obvious when it happens and it's the whole game, not just a random thing for a few seconds. Never happened before the server switch-up and my games have been absolute hell for the most part. I'm sorry but when you're playing as Trapper and literally running in a straight line behind a survivor and not gaing ANY ground, something is up. This game and it's issues...damn.
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You used to 4k every match and now you average 2k per match?
Sounds like you're finally facing more competent Survivors to me.
You're actually performing at the level the devs want you to, so i'd say you're in a better spot than ever balance-wise.
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I disagree about balanced part but it does give killer a much more fair time
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Theres a difference between a good killer and a good player lmao
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Bonus BP and it makes gens into a joke? Damn right it is.
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per person, so up to 40%
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