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Why are there some SWF players who don't own up to it?
It's rather easy to tell who's swf and who isn't. The level of coordination and communication put on display makes it obvious. Yet, 'I'm solo' seems to be the prevalent remark when called out on it. You can't double check on their profiles, because they always keep them on private. I don't play swf myself, no friends interested in the game, and a killer main on top of that. So, I don't have the mindset. Why deny it?
I'm not saying there aren't the rare survivors out there that just click, but again, with enough playtime experience, it's not hard to spot the solos from the swf.
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Yep. I had two different guys. One Said "No i'm not Swf" then the other told him to shut up cause they were both in SWF.
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"I lost, must be SWF."
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Not what they are asking. Please read the topic instead of trying to be dramatic.
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Good survivors exists too you know... Not every functional players are swfs.
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Well, sometimes it just is like that. A lot of times when I played solo and had the lunch to have decent teammates who even body blocked or trade for me, I got assumed to be in swf, which wasn't the case. The killers usually don't believe me, even though I do not have my profile on private. The other way around when I'm actually playing with friends, but we don't really care about escaping, the killer usually never says something about swf in the end chat.
So it's pretty much like this:
- playing solo with good teammates -> killer assumed me to play swf
- actually playing swf, without really caring about escaping -> killer thinks we're all solos....
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So what if they don't?
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I honestly never assume it's a SWF unless they all start cussing me out.
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Why do so many people on these forums immediately jump to conclusions regarding people who post on these forums and claim they said something they never did?
Maybe he was wrong with certain assumptions that survivors were swf, but him losing and that's why the team must be swf is not what he wrote in this post.
Unless you can read people's minds, then I apoligize.
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As Killer main with 2,4k hours I fear more good 4 solo players then a SWF honestly xD but yea I notice too that some swf write that they play solo, but I have no idea why, maybe trying to justify themselves or something?
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I think a reason someone would deny it if asked by the killer is, that the killer probably would use this fact as an "excuse" why they lost or why this round was extremely stressful for them. They would probably address it as op or complain about it.
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My question is why it's relevant in the first place.
Lets be real, just like when a survivor goes "why tunnel?" a killer that asks "swf?" is often not actually interested in your answer. Quite often it's followed up by some sort of whining or hostility.
And a private profile doesn't automatically mean SWF. Myself I keep all parts of my profile on friends only because otherwise I get scammers/scammer bots trying to get my TF2 items, and I'm not gonna needlessly deal with that just so someone can look at my friends list to rationalize their loss to themselves. If someone asks and I'm playing SWF both me and the person I sometimes play with usually just say yes anyway to be honest.
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Because they know it's broken and exploitive and if they admit to it then it kills their ability to pretend to be as good as it allows them to be.
Humans lie to themselves to feel better about themselves. C'est la vie.
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It's the best when you already looked at their profile before the match and saw they're all friends, then they pretend they aren't together.
The only time I'll ASSUME swf is if 4 people join together and all have private profiles.
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Just bc ppl help each others and are better than you has a whole doesn't mean they are a SWF group. They just happen to be good together.
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I think the caliber of survivors (and killers) is just getting better and better.
People memorize totem locations, ideal loops, best perks, and strategies for specific killers. There are more perks and add ons than ever.
In a word, experience, it separates the vets from the noobs.
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Just remove all the mystery and let killers know how many were SWF in the end game lobby.
I would be fine with just a indicator with a number, do not even need to know which individuals were SWF or not. This would address the survivor concern about being dodged in the future.
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Or they could creat a "rank mode" in which groups are allowed but lock them out from quick play.
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I've been accused of being in a SWF countless times and I play solo.
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I'm going to actually try and answer your question. My best guess would be that there is a stigma towards swf so to avoid getting attacked they deny it. That or they are thinking "why tip my hand" in regard to how well they play (good or bad).
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Yes playing a group of swf that is organized is frustating at times. Not all are toxic, or hard to beat. You win some and lose some. That is it at the end of the match. Dont matter if they were or weren't swf. Because 4 group randoms can be just as difficult.
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Cause they know it's ez mode. It's like playing a fighting game but setting the ai to easy.
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Not really. Not every SWF is a ######### 4 man rank 1, 4 instaheal 3k hour God squad. People seem to have this idea that playing SWF automatically means that the game is 10x easier. That isn't the actual reality of it.
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Every SWF has the basic communication. Even things as simple as "killer is chasing me" tells the team to do gens and completely skews the power dynamic in favor of swf. Entire perks like Knock Out or Insidious become dead perks. Entire Killer powers such as Trapper's traps or even Hag's traps become less good. Stealth Killer's may as well not have a power vs SWF.
Knock Out in particular would be one of the strongest perks in all of DbD if SWF wasn't a thing.
There is no such thing as a fair match against SWF. If you think otherwise you simply don't realize how something as small as verbal communication makes the game instantly harder for Killer.
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I had to stop reading a lot of these posts....
The point is, SWF members LIE about being in a SWF team. Fact. Now, Why?
People are in SWF teams, legit they are all friends with each other and you know they are. (profile, literal evidence) But they DO lie. They will lie straight to your face as if they get some thrill or kick out of it. It makes zero sense.
And then not all SWF are 4 mans. So when you have a solo survivor going hey I am solo, these others guys MUST be solo even tho we played exceptionally well and body blocked etc etc... That MAY not be the case... you know? It could be a swf and they are just completely lying about it but you believe them because hey,,, you ARE solo... so... ya...
I mean there is legit proof of it... but they will lie, and I don't just mean Oh I am assuming because of their playstyle. No. I am straight up talking proof/evidence. (unprivate profiles etc). And it makes it exceptionally "coincidental" When you literally run into the same "NOT" SWF members .... 3x or more.... Wow matchmaking must really like the same people together.... Oook. Sure. Win or lose. They will lie... I don't know why. I think the entire thing is stupid and pointless. There is never a good reason to lie.
Because of this, it is better to just assume. Sadly. I really hope they implement a better system to tell you afterwards. There is no downside not too.
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Pretty much exactly this. As a survivor who often plays in swf (though I don't deny it when asked - I usually just say nothing if I don't feel like answering cause it's not really their business who I play games with anyway), 9/10 killers who call us out on being SWF then go on to trash talk and insult us for no greater crime than daring to play games with our friends. Most of the time, if a killer asks whether we're SWF, it's because they want to trash talk us. So why would a survivor, knowing that, willingly own up to it and subject themselves to that?
It's not surprising that people lie. It's just sad that they feel the need to do so just to avoid abuse.
Disclaimer before anyone jumps down my throat: I'm not denying that there are many nice, decent killer players. I've met quite a lot. Nor am I denying that there are some killer players who ask about SWF out of harmless curiosity. It's the other 90% that are the problem.
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Basically this.
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Also, to everyone who thinks there is a "stigma" to being in a SWF so they lie about it... They lie to not be INSULTED.... I have this to say:
Why not say, nothing? Why not just leave and end the chat? If you are a SWF and you just "won"... why gloat about it in the end game chat? What makes you so special? Just GG and leave the person alone. No ones saying you have to sit there and BE insulted... just leave. People are human. If they lost, they might get emotional about it. Be a nice human being, and/or leave. I mean, I have seen "HAHA GG ez solo btw luls! " etc (and obviously much worse). Like, What the hell? It's uncalled for.
Don't lie. Be nice. Move on.
I don't see an issue, aside from the obvious lying. Treat others with respect.
There is no reason to lie. No one NEEDS to lie.... Like.. I don't take the Oh he twisted my arm to do it.... no... no they didn't...
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