Is Hex: No One Escapes Death A Problematic Perk And Shouldn't/Should It Be Changed?
With the buff to noed a while back where exposed is on all tiers, it seems more killers are using it as a result, from most survivors (and some killers) perspective's they believe it should be nerfed due to no way to counter it aside from doing "useless" dull totems as some would say, while others think it can easily be removed with cleansing totems as they actively support in you surviving the trial.
I'm curious if some people on the forums would like having a civil discussion about it (my stance on it is mostly neutral, I'll get annoyed by it but otherwise I'm fine with it) and a question to the devs if they have decided noed deserves a look at for a possible nerf/rework or they believe in is current state it is fair and balanced.
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I think it’s fine. I’m a killvivor. I run small game and cleanse every totem. No issues here.
if my noed gets cleansed. Good on them. 🤷🏻♀️
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No. NoED is fine. Survivors can prevent it from ever activating by doing bones, which gives them 1k BP each, and there's a Perk that lets Survivors HEAL if they do bones.
Any Survivors complaining that NoED is too strong are 100% incredibly lazy and want to trim down a 3-minute Genrush game to 1 minute, 30 seconds. They don't care about game balance, they just want the easiest game possible & never play Killer, so they want it nerfed into unplayability.
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It really annoys me when playing survivor, however with the changes coming to detective hunch, it will help that.
Annoying perk. But can be stopped by cleansing. So...meh, annoying but fine.
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It's a weak perk that's easily countered. But survivors rather would slam gens and focus on literally nothing else.
I'm a 50/50 player. I get hit by NOED, me and my teams fault.
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LMAO, have you read the forums? Its 99% nerf survivors into the ground. LOL
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Coming from someone with 2700h on survivor and about 300 on killer... NOED is fine. Cleanse the totems. If you're lazy you get punished, if NOED is a huge problem for you then running Small Game or Detective's Hunch should end up being a good investment.
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Pretty much this. Even though I hate NOED, it can be prevented, you dont have to contend with it
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I honestly think that both NoED and adrenaline should be removed because they can win a match easily, like this time i almost lost but i could one shot survivors and then i won, but that's because i'm was and still is rank 14, so the survivors didn't go around cleansening totems to prevent NoED.
But there are more options.
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personally i don't exactly see much wrong with noed on both sides. if it really needed a change due to being problematic, it'd be better to adjust killer speed once the perk activated while keeping its exposure status. noed is meant to be a last-ditch effort to win a game, and even then, can be completely countered by actively working towards getting rid of all 5 dull totems, which isn't too much of a task if you know your tiles!
i think it's a matter of people being upset that they have a possibility of losing their chance to escape due to the last ditch perk, which is understandable, but you have to realize that this game is all about doing what you can to get to the objective, and each is entitled to their own!
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Noed is a very cheap perk tbh, same with adrenaline. Theres nothing wrong with using them but they are very much crutch perks that help players survive/get kills when they struggle in other areas. In the same way noed can be destroyed by breaking all totems, adrenaline can be useless if youre already at full health in the endgame. Both take up a slot that can be used for something and are high risk high reward perks.
Personally the only change id like to give noed is a notification sound or exposed cue as soon as the totem activates rather than when someone is hit with it, but thats a bias as a survivor. I dont use adrenaline bcs im usually full health by endgame but im sure there's nerfs it could get.
Tl:dr: i think noed is a cheap perk for killers who have trouble putting pressure on the survivors but its not op
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NOED is a counter for doing gens too fast. It also has a counter of being made a useless perk slot by doing 5 totems.
This perk creates a second objective within the game which is totems.
NOED was originally a perk which was always active once the gates were powered which was insane for camping at that point but we lived with it.
It was then changed to 2 mins use after the gates were powered but it still meant camping guaranteed a kill so a change was always on the cards.
Next it became a hex perk so it brought in the counter play we needed and recently the QOL change of it having the Insta down on everyone at all tiers.
I think NOED is in a place where it sets out the second objective quite well and makes just doing gens a risky choice. You should really do every totem you walk by if you fear NOED activating. I've lost count how many times I have found another survivor doing a gen with a totem in plain sight of it. The funny thing is you can almost guarantee that person will be the one to complain about the killer using NOED in the end game chat.
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honestly the speed boost should be removed from it then I wouldn't care about it as survivor
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I think the speed boost is to make the Killer a threat to Survivors with any sort of speed boosting perk. Without the Killer speed increase, a ton of Perks would render NoED completely useless because Survivors would just roadrunner away while saying 'Meep! Meep!'
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bad killers need pity kills or they'll quit
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I don't know if I nearly got cut by the edge or if my fries were over-salted. Either way; whew boy!
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A NURSES CALLING OP PLZ NERF
AGITATION OP PLZ NERF
BAMBOOZLE OP PLZ NERF
BARBECUE AND CHILI OP PLZ NERF
BEAST OF PREY OP PLZ NERF
BITTER MURMUR OP PLZ NERF
BLOOD WARDEN OP PLZ NERF
BLOODHOUND OP PLZ NERF
BRUTAL STRENGTH OP PLZ NERF
CORRUPT INTERVENTION OP PLZ NERF
COULROPHOBIA OP PLZ NERF
CRUEL LIMITS OP PLZ NERF
DARK DEVOTION OP PLZ NERF
DEERSTALKER OP PLZ NERF
HEX: DEVOUR HOPE OP PLZ NERF
DISCORDANCE OP PLZ NERF
DISTRESSING OP PLZ NERF
DYING LIGHT OP PLZ NERF
ENDURING OP PLZ NERF
FIRE UP OP PLZ NERF
FRANKLIN’S DEMISE OP PLZ NERF
FURTIVE CHASE OP PLZ NERF
HANGMAN’S TRICK OP PLZ NERF
HEX: HAUNTED GROUNDS OP PLZ NERF
HEX: HUNTRESS LULLABY OP PLZ NERF
IM ALL EARS OP PLZ NERF
INFECTIOUS FRIGHT OP PLZ NERF
INSIDIOUS OP PLZ NERF
IRON GRASP OP PLZ NERF
IRON MAIDEN OP PLZ NERF
KNOCK OUT OP PLZ NERF
LIGHTBORN OP PLZ NERF
MAD GRIT OP PLZ NERF
MAKE YOUR CHOICE OP PLZ NERF
MINDBREAKER OP PLZ NERF
MONITOR AND ABUSE OP PLZ NERF
MONSTROUS SHRINE OP PLZ NERF
HEX: NO ONE ESCAPES DEATH OP PLZ NERF
OVERCHARGE OP PLZ NERF
OVERWHELMING PRESENCE OP PLZ NERF
PLAY WITH YOUR FOOD OP PLZ NERF
POP GOES THE WEASEL OP PLZ NERF
PREDATOR OP PLZ NERF
RANCOR OP PLZ NERF
REMEMBER ME OP PLZ NERF
HEX: RUIN OP PLZ NERF
SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST OP PLZ NERF
SHADOWBORN OP PLZ NERF
SLOPPY BUTCHER OP PLZ NERF
SPIES FROM THE SHADOWS OP PLZ NERF
SPIRIT FURT OP PLZ NERF
STRIDOR OP OKZ NERF
SURGE OP PLZ NERF
SURVEILLANCE OP PLZ NERF
TERRITORIAL IMPERATIVE OP PLZ NERF
THANATOPHOBIA OP PLZ NERF
HEX: THE THIRD SEAL OP PLZ NERF
HEX: THRILL OF THE HUNT OP PLZ NERF
THRILLING TREMORS OP PLZ NERF
TINKERER OP PLZ NERF
UNNERVING PRESENCE OP PLZ NERF
UNRELENTING OP PLZ NERF
WHISPERS OP PLZ NERF
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I'm not wrong tho lmao. that's why it wont be touched. nothing salty about it, it's just true
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No, you are wrong.
It won't be touched because it's not broken.
I find it funny that Killers have to down Survivors a minimum of twice per survivor (if no one saves the Survivor from first hook) or more on average; 6 times per survivor, which is 24 hits, in what is currently a 5 minute match. Survivors also have 8 second chance perks on top of those downs, and that's not counting speed-increasing perks like Dead Hard, Sprint Burst, Lithe, Hope..
And yet, with enough perks well into the double-digits giving Survivors second chances & free escapes on top of a 2-to-down, 3-to-kill gameplay mechanic, you will go 'bad players use NoED!'
Glass houses, dude. Survivors have way more crutch perks than Killers. WAY more.
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theres nothing balanced about noed when it's on a killer with map pressure. if they're at all competent u wont have much free time to dick around on totems, especially on inside maps or maps like swamp.
and a majority of survivors perks u may consider crutches are easily avoidable, but this isnt the post for that.
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