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Devs- Don't touch Spirit
I don't know what it is but I have heard nothing but bitching and complaining these past few months about how much BS Spirit is. Frankly, I'm getting tired of it. She is strong killer that does not need to be touched. I'm tired of survivors always crying to Devs for Nerfs and wanting DBD to essentially go back to the dark times. Get good at mind games or get rekt. Simple as that. She is perfect the way she is and I don't believe the Devs need to touch her at all. Maybe swap mother daughter ring rarity with prayer beads. That's it!
Edit: To further elaborate, we barely have any killers who hold a strong threat. I know that every killer can get a 4k but not all are viable at Red Ranks. If survivors really wanted to counter spirit or any killer they would bring Iron Will but they refuse because it's not Meta like DS. Adrenaline. Dead Hard and Unbreakable or Deliverance or whatever other Meta there is. Because they do not want to change up their build they would rather complain until the killer gets nerfed so they can keep their build.
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Lets complain about survivors crying but ignore killers complaining about ds,adrenaline,keys,instaheals,swf,borrowed time,dead hard,toolboxes,flashlights, balanced landing and more. But no, survivors want one killer changed, we can't allow that right?
Everyone can and will complain about things they want changed. Ultimately, devs will decide what needs to be changed, not what survivors and killers cry about.
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(prayer beads questionable i think)
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The only thing that should be touched is her prayer breads..
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And her recovery/duration add ons
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This is what the survivor part of me thinks about Spirit:
Not gonna lie.... I can understand why many people want her to be changed. "Get good at mind games or get rekt" - Nice. How much mind game is that in reality? In the Phase Walk you can HEAR survivors very clearly. How can this be called "mind game"? When I play Spirit I exactly know where the survivors are. And imo that is the only "skill" you need to play Spirit. Use headphones and kill the survivors. And that WITHOUT addons. If you take some broken addons too (like Wakizashi or prayer bead) just destroy everything in your way. Best thing about Spirit -> She can unfold her power on every single map. Not like Billy or Nurse.
And this is what the killer part of me thinks about Spirit:
- You kinda need Spirit/Nurse against a super sweaty SWF group
- Her addons are way too strong - You can demolish ppl with green or even yellow addons easily - So other than the most ppl in the forum I don't think prayer beads is the only problem here
I want Spirit to be fixed. But we still have a lot of Survivor sided stuff going on. I would rather start there.
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Spirit only needs to have add-on changes in my opinion. Also could you please be a little more constructive on why she shouldn't be touched?
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What gets me is when people cry saying there is no counter when someone can bring Iron Will and Dance with me to completely hide their scratch marks or bait their scratch and sneak off with Iron Will. I can agree that some add Ons make her Strong but that's why it's called an Add on as every killer has a BS add on like Plague seeing auras of sick survivors. Trapper having automatic reset traps. Pig having tampered timer and gear box. Infinite tier 3 Myers. I could honestly care less if they get rid of prayer beads cause I never use them, I just don't want them to touch her base kit.
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The only thing they should touch are the beads. She is strong without it already and is hard enough to avoid her even when you CAN hear the phasing. No need for her to be stealthy, it's too much.
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You can easily make iron will useless with stridor. I also shouldn't have to run certain perks to have a decent chance against a killer.
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Thats the problem people have with her. You NEED to have Iron Will to make it a mindgame. Without iromn will there is no mindgame. Your just dead meat as soon as you get hit the first time. She can hear exactly where you are and thats the problem.
They should make the pain grunts non directional and remove her hitbox while in phase. (also change the prayer beeds). other than that i think shes ok. Like i said the only problem is that u need a perk to have a chance (if she has stridor you done no matter what you do)
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You just named perks. Why do you have to run certain perks to counter Spirit? What if the Spirit runs Stridor for example? Yes, some killers have really good addons. And I am glad that some Ultra Rare addons are very useful. But I think there is a little difference. All of the killers you listed are (more or less) mid tier. Making a mid tier killer stronger is one thing. But making an already "OP" killer even stronger is another thing. Like I said. I understand both sides.
One thing's for sure. The Devs will not touch the spirit for a long time. So this discussion is pointless anyway. I honestly wouldn't expect any change until 2021.
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Nothing is going to be happening soon to spirit... theres a list of killers in the Q&A that the devs wanna revisit... Doc, Michael, the chainsaw killers are all on the radar before spirit.
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Real quick though, wouldn't it be fun to have Killers you have to think about how to beat more than just "Run a circle!"?
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In which spots do you not want them touching spirit? ;)
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Thats not the problem. Nurse is fine. her addon change was needed but the base power nurse was not needed. The difference between nurse and spirit is thats Nurse in mindgameable and spirit is not. if she (spirit) has headphones your dead.
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Yes it would. If they rework all the maps most loops will be mindgameable anyways and that's a very good thing.
Spirit isn't really a killer I have to "think" to beat. I can't even understand if she is phasing or not (i know people keep saying there are signs that she is phasing but i still can't tell). When I'm injured the chase is over if she has ears. When I'm uninjured I have to decide which way to go when she is phasing, which is also kind of luck based. It's not enjoyable. I'm all for different play styles against different killers, but this is not it.
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Dude I main Spirit and prayer beads needs to be removed from the game not a rarity change. It's a super broken addon for a over balanced killer. Once those are in play shes stronger then any Nurse ever could be.
Until those beads are in play she has good counterplay people just refuse to learn. Once those are in play that counterplay essentially is thrown out the window unless your directly in front of her.
As for survivors they complain literally because they wont or dont want to learn her counters. She forces them into a style of play no one likes anymore so why learn right? Remember these forum boards are a small fraction of the DBD player base.
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@arslaN You just justified what @cipherbay_ (OP) said in his post... Survivors have (quoting your comment) more than 10 good things killers complain about and we killers have what? Two really good killers and you want to take them away from us?10+ vs 2 (you see the problem right there?
Good sir... Talking as a NON COMPLAINING KILLER (I don't have any issue with ANYTHING survivor related at the moment), the fact that survivors want the nerf of one of the only 3 viable killers for red ranks is just BS...
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it'd be nice if the killer also had to think about what they're doing and not just phase, listen, hit, repeat
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Yeah they better not touch my girl or we will end up helping the survivors do gens. And the game will be renamed to Dead by Looping-Bullying
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You complain about survivors crying but you sir are a prime example of a killer crying lool
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Killers shouldn't have to use ruin to extend the game a little bit but we really don't have a choice to we?
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I only talked about spirit. What gives you the idea that's the only thing I want?
The priority should be to buff the weaker killers first and then spirit can be changed.
The 3 viable killers thing is a lie. Red ranks survivors can be jokes. If you are talking 4 man swf's with good survivors then yeah, maybe those are the 3 only viable killers. Most killers are already viable in red ranks, but that doesn't mean you are going to have an easy match with most of them.
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Ruin is viable against every survivor. That doesn't mean gen times are fine but you can't use that as an example.
Expecting survivors to run Iron will every game just in case the killer is spirit AND they aren't using stridor isn't realistic.
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If you're a killer you don't live for the 2k... YOU WANT THE 3-4 and as an XBOX red rank killer every month, all I get is good SWF teams, yes, I can get the 2k with almost any killer, but for the 4k it's either nurse, Freddy or Spirit. Call it bad luck, but the "3 viable killers" for red ranks is a fact for me if I want a 4k.
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Well cool. I just wanted to confirm you weren't one of those "ONLY LOOP! IS ONLY GOOD THING!" people.
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So you want to win every single match. Is that it? 2k doesn't mean you lost, it's a tie.
Statistics also show that 4 Man swf isn't common. You must have super bad luck if you go against those every match.
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Dude... What do you preffer? A 4 man escape or you being the only one who survived whyle on SWF with your friends? A "win" is a matter of perception. Of course I know a 2k is a tie, but if you wanna go up in red ranks as killer you at least need a 3k, it's BS that the only certain way to get those are to use those 3 killers.
I'D LOVE to see your statistics source, is it divided per rank colour? Cause if you're talking apples when there are clearly watermelons then it's not objective information. What I mean is, most of the population is in low ranks, based on that, yes, SWF is not common in those ranks, but for high ranks, I'd really like to see those stats
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Just to remind you both sides complain. Instaheal got nerfed so did nurse.
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Also, Devs will do what they want. Soo.... I hope they want to buff Legion!
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Prayerbeads and maayybbee a few add ons are the only thing that should be touched but there aren't many good spirits tbh. Even with Prayerbeads, you wouldn't hear her phasing while in a chase regardless and you can hear her footsteps if she's close. I'd say nerf prayerbeads, but anything else is a tad overboard. The devs should focus on buffing killers first though (and they are.) So just learn to play against Spirit for the time being. If you face Spirit often, run iron will. It's good verse other killers as well.
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All the killers are viable at red ranks. If you think otherwise you’re not actually playing at red ranks.
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4man swf is less than 10% of the entire playerbase. There are no rank specific statistics though.
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The thing is that devs are unlikely to buff every killer to the level what you need to compete with sweaty SWF groups. So they need to leave at least 1-2 high level killers, otherwise we go back in time when high rank survivors simply won't find matches. It's not fun playing game what is already lost before it even started.
I think marth88 proved how easy survivor really is if you just repair gens optimally. They stomped majority of killers even without perks, and with perks and voice coms had average of 3,5+ survival rate. This is not balanced either
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Eventually it will be all killers nerfed and all the killers will go to another game and survivors can have absolutely nothing.
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Or survivors will go to other games because they don't want to play against annoying killers :)
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i Agree. Being survivor used to be way harder and they’ve made a lot of things easier for when you wanna play survivor. People used to know how to survive the Spirit and now she’s “too powerful”.
people want the game to be easier, not learn how to overcome the challenge
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I could also say the same thing for spirit players. Overcome the challenge and play other killers. Spirit is literally easy mode unless you are going against a 4 man swf.
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Unlikely most survivors like to bully weaker killers. Most people play both sides. Survivors main and Killer mains are a minority.
Agreed. Nowadays it just doesn't matter as survivor if you even survive. you can still pip without it. Also the new hatch rule is honestly a mistake. Long story short people play for hatch once people make a mistake imho
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You can say the same for ALL players. But this game feels very balanced as someone who started the game two years ago. It was hard then, but now most survivors have way more perks to build specific play styles, and killers who were super strong have been dumbed down while weak ones have been beefed up.
i play both sides, and feel that the Spirit is a challenging killer, but making her weaker is just taking away a killer who has ALREADY been considerably weakened around her release.
it just feels unnecessary. I understand that if you have trouble surviving her that it’s frustrating, but this game wouldn’t mean much if surviving was something you could always expect. There would be nothing to overcome and it would just be point farming.
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So... you went to the post made 5 months ago to try to justify that not only 3 killers are viable in red ranks, where, not just by the fact those are not recent statistics, but they also posted this, in which you can clearly see that regarding RED RANKS, survival rate is quite high and not balanced being ranks 3, 2 and 1 avobe 50%? God, I need survival rate per killer per rank, that would be amazing
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I only play survivor and I think spirit is fine
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Players - don't act like you can make demands on the devs
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I don't think they should touch the spirit either, make up for all the survivors that lied and complained that base nurse was broken and OP. if that was the case they wouldn't of had to buff her in the first place, right after i finished playing nurse is when they announced they were going to buff her and make so she doesn't fall through the floor anymore.
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i agree, nurse addons change was needed, like exta blink or omega was just too much like now PBB, nurse imo is fine now, i think even they should just a little bit buff her addons, like very rare/ultra rare exhaustion addon but that's only my thought's. spirit even when i play against her with iron will she still have tons of tracking, she hear you interaction with gens, totems, your running, see your footsteps and listen even your breathing if she has good headphones
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Oh trust me, these aren't the correct results, if you really want to, I can go and do some lobby simulator where I count how many SWFs and solos I get each time.
There is GUARANTEED 1 SWF or 2 man premade each game, 3 man SWF is EXTREMELY common, 4 man isn't that rare in the night time either, 4 man solo? Good luck with that, you are much more likely to win a lottery. This is solely based on R1-R10.
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I don't see any reasons why the amount of 4man swfs would change since then. If anything, it would have gone down with the new matchmaking changes.
Survivors being in red ranks doesn't really mean much. It only shows how much you played that season. Red rank survivors can be just as bad as a rank 10 survivor. You are mistaking red ranks with 4man swf's. EVERY killer is viable in red ranks.
Rank 1 statistics are also false , read the note below that picture
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The stat on SWF is terribly skewed because the number of players in lower ranks, especially around an event of any sort, will be MUCH higher than the pool of red ranks where SWF is usually the biggest complaint from killers. New players usually don't have friends with whom they can play/SWF, so you have a huge portion of the sample that drags that percentage down. I'd like to see the SWF incidence based on rank similar to how they broke down survival rates. That survival rates by rank graph is probably the most telling stat they put out, because 78% escape rate on PC at rank 1 is INSANE.
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Umm, how was spirit nerfed? She got buffed multiple times since the ptb as far as i remember.
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Prayers Beads gotta go.
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