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The Nurse changes are still really bad
I've been doing my best, but playing as Nurse is really frustrating now. I can still get kills, but I genuinely feel punished for simply selecting her. Not to mention, she got nerfed AGAIN past ptb.
I used to face nurses, but now as survivor I get them even less over loads of hours. It's disheartening. I don't think she's "trash" or "dead" but damn she's hurting.
Half her add ons are absolute garbage just like they were previously. And she also still has some god tier ones and combos. Nothing changed. Yay I can become a 115 killer!!! Yay I can get 0 TR and stain for 16 seconds!!! Imagine actually wanting to gain a blink, but lose the ability to go through walls AS NURSE. (Despite the fact I scream and go HNNNG after using my power.) We didn't need a "slight" basekit change. Bhvr, please. Hotfix or something but anything is better than this. I'm really dissappointed she unironically needs a base movement speed buff.
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She isn't trash like people are saying, she is still strong but playing her isn't really enjoyable now.
I still haven't gone against the new nurse because the game is dead by spirit right now.
My suggestion is this:Make the cooldown slightly longer (maybe this isn't necessary idk) but make it so you only have the cooldown when you press m1.
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Not a fan of nurse or anything but for me,this character should be hard to play as,like,she's still horribly strong to people that can play her properly.
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She is still strong but you cant spam blink anymore (still think a killer skipping the entire base gameplay of loops / palett is unhealthy for the game).
I just hope that nerfing her means BHVR is going to takle repair speed for SWF/ Red Rank games.
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It is not the point whether Nurse is difficult or easy to play as. I tried couple of times and she has stability issues right now. Blinking causes major FPS drops, sometimes you stuck in blinking position, and blink charges are unpredictable. Sometimes you got far away than you charged for, and vice-versa.
I wasn't a Nurse main or anything before the changes but now I completely suck at playing her. I felt like the changes have a long way to be stabilized again.
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They took everything away from her and gave her nothing in return, only the extra blink and omega blink add ons needed to be reworked but instead they changed all her add ons and even added a cooldown to her basekit then they nerfed her add ons even more from the ptb lol.. couldn’t even give her 100 movement speed smh
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Devs like staring at the power bar the entire game. They think it is fun because fun is subjective. So how can it help?
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With cooldown addons she feels okay, but without em you wait half of the game to get your blinks. I think the crappy servers and the constant bugs she still got make hdr even more unsatisfying to play. I'm gonna test her again in four years, when BHVR fixed dedicated.
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I bet you are unable to loop nurse, you sound like you didn't know mpre than running around pallets.
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Why does everyone have to attack people who have a differing opinion? They're absolutely right, a killer that bypasses all of the general mechanics is not exactly good for the game. I think personally instead of gutting her like they did, they should have just took every addon away like how they have it now. No more omega blinks. That would have been enough to make it pretty fair as it is. Now you just need to be precise. To be fair, once a nurse found you, it was basically a down. It's extremely hard to lose her even if she misses a lot. Before everyone was saying shes unenjoyable to play against. Nurse mains didnt care, now nurse mains are saying shes unenjoyable to play. And survivors dont care. Happens.
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I think that nurse didn't need these base kit changes and should be a killer that can deal with loops really easily. That way survivors can actually try some other type of chase, like juking... or something. Now it's pathetically easy to outrun a nurse by juking or running in a straight line...
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Nurse wasn't meant to be looped. She was meant to be juked. Big difference.
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But she is balanced now and better for the game.. same argument legions players suffered and are still reaching out for help about.
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She's been ruined, for the most part.
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no, those changes were insignificant, she's literally as strong as she was before.
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Legion was genuinely too strong in some areas with no counterplay, that's why they got changed. Legion was a bad killer even before the nerfs.
Nurse is not healthier for the game now. She's living proof that swf and survs get the majority vote, likely because of cosmetic spending. She is horrible to play, wasn't fixed, and is awful on loads of maps now.
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They're very significant, and you must have never played red rank Nurse.
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I'm a rank 1 killer main, I play all killers, I don't see a difference while playing her.
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She had the same amount of counterplay legion had, try and juke. Guess what legion was gutted, nurse got a slap and now she is still top tier, you arnt punished for using your ability, you still can down but instead of blink hit 2sec fatigue blink hit. It's not blink hit 2 sec fatigue 2 sec cd blink hit.
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Nope. You can break LOS vs a Nurse.
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She's still deadly in right hands, even after deserved nerfs. She was the only killer that would ignore every defense mechanic survivor had with little to no drawbacks. Now with the cooldown survivor actually has chance to gain distance and juke nurse, instead of having nurse right behind your back after 100 failed blinks.
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You can break los from legion. Your point? Oh wait nurse can go through walls weird.
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It doesn't matter Nurse mains have tried. And they're not even whining about the fact she's weaker now. It's because she's significantly weaker to the point you straight up stare at a power bar half the game because that's fun.
Nurse had plenty of feedback for survs to work with, as survivor I never had any issues facing a Nurse unless she had Omega or 3 blinks. Her basekit was fair, and devs said they wouldn't nerf it. But survs cried and banded together by dcing a bunch til she finally got nerfed.
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Imagine adding a power bar for survivors when they can do perform a vault, throw a pallet or something, the outcry lol.
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Strange cause nurse no addons and no perks still dominated rank one. She needed the nerf because she had map pressure, mobility, speed, ignoring terrain, and little to no cooldown on her ability to negate everything anyone can do. 2 blink nurse had more mobility and utility than billy does.
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I unironically wish they'd do this to show them what it's like.
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She had less mobility, actually. But everything else was better.
Nurse was the only killer capable of dealing with coordinated survivors, swf or not. If they stayed seperate on gens, basically 80% of the killer roster would lose instantly. You can try to slug, be the best player ever, but they're survivors. They get way more second chances and loads more to work with than you do. So they can genrush regardless of the situation if they're good. Nurse stood a chance vs this, now? She's really map dependent. And very server dependent.
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But that will never happen as running from safe loop to safe loop is considered skilled counterplay.
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All I'm seeing is you making every excuse in the book to not adapt and learn because you got to attached to, blink blink blink hit blink down. Okay now I can do this over and over with no repercussion, you are crying cause you have to actually think about when and how to use your blink like every other killer. Every killer has weak maps every killer has hard points to get over. I play 70% killer 30% survivor. I understand its bullshit sometimes but that being said nurse needed the slight nerf. Was it a little overkill maybe, is it bad for the game not in the slightest.
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Lol. No, she is not balanced. She went from a bit too powerful to complete garbage.
Because the devs forgot that Blinking was not only for attacking, but also how she got across the map!
Now she moves slower than a WALKING Survivor AND cannot Blink for 90% of her playtime.
If they were going to nerf, yes NERF, her Blink into unusability, they should have given her a movespeed to actually be able to chase Survivors.
This nerf was either the result of a complete lack of understanding of how Nurse works, or done to cater to Survivors who did not want to learn to counter her.
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When a killer excels at everything they need to be weak at somthing, her map mobility is the weakness now.
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And it's such a hardcore weakness she's suffering.
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Every killer has a weakness, the only one who didnt was nurse that's why it was un balanced. I love nurse playing as and against but I can see she needed the change. None the less it was warranted. And more than likely she will be brought back in line with old her or close to old her in future patches.
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What change was made that a player can adapt too? The only change that happened was a restriction was placed on a her power. Nothing at all to compensate for that.
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Yeah, no.
You don't completely remove a Killer's map mobility in the genrush meta. The only viable Killer's are those who either move fast, or can slow down gen speeds. No map mobility = no use against 3 minute gen rushes.
When the devs remove a Killer's ability to actually counter the meta, they are saying they either have no idea what they are doing because they don't understand their game and the current meta, or just want Survivors to win all the time.
And you'll note, since genrushing started, there's been 0 attempts to actually fix THAT problem, because it does not hurt Survivors. Only Killers who can stop/counter it have been nerfed.
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Lmao I disagree STRONGLY. Ive really never played nurse before because I heard how hard it is to play her on Xbox. (I didn’t wanna get de ranked) but her update came out so I was like “alright lemme try this out” and I’ve won like 6 games in a row with all 4ks (rank 4 now btw)
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No attack. The phrase "a killer ignoring every pallet/loop" is just not right. You can time pallets on nurse to mess with her reappear location. The looping works not like against other killer. Most times you have to LoS break and make her guess where you are.
Long story short, a person saying "a killer ignoring every pallet/loop is unhealthy for the game" basically just ignored facts. So i can say bing bong your opinion is wrong.
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I can still play nurse fairly well with this change, but the most annoying thing is that she isn’t very fun anymore. Power bars are just a lazy and annoying addition to a power that didn’t need changing.
I couldn’t even imagine trying to learn nurse as she is right now.
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Well, regardless of her position on the power scales between survivors and killers or the tier list of killers...
The changes were bad
They tremendously nerfed her maximum potential by reworking most her addons into trash, the devs either didnt want strong addons or had no idea what to give her, so she got two speed limiters...
They nerfed her minimum potential, her basekit. It weakens firstly weakens her chase game, which wouldnt have been that much of a nerf if she had the same map pressure despite that nerf, BECAUSE for nurse her chase game is also her map pressure or map travel in general.
I think ive seen a comparison to 115% killer map travel... The 115%er was faster than the nurse... So much for her "still godlike" map pressure.
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Lol have any of you played against a nurse using that ultra rare addon where she can’t blink through walls? It’s basically a gg if you loop her at any structure like the shack for example cause she can’t do sh!t to reach you.
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That's why I kept arguing against the base kit changes. It wasn't about strength or speed or SWF; it's just that it was going to make the Nurse not fun to play as. I assume she was at least fun to play as on PC. She could be kind of fun on console, though it was a struggle; now, though, it's just miserable. I can't imagine why anyone would bother.
You think the devs would want players to have fun with their product, but that's apparently not the case. I have to wonder if they understand what fun is when they add a power bar to Nurse and the main objective for survivors is kneeling in front of a generator holding down a button for 80 seconds x5.
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Cry more novice. Your tears are delicious.
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PS4 Red Rank Killer and Red/purple survivor as a console player among the killer mains nurse was always hard to play and sure she was overpowered but now she is too weak and she's dropped in the killer tier list as she's not able to handle red rank swfs which means spirit rains when playing red rank survivor
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