Spirit and my opinion

Do you guys realize how unfun a lot of survivor builds are to face? I don't think centering balance around a nebulous concept like "fun" is a good idea in any game. I personally like close matches and feeling like the win or loss could come at any moment. It seems a lot, however, base fun on escaping a majority of the time and winning as frequently as possible. That's fine, but a crazy thing to try to balance around it being "fun" when that can only mean survivors win.

I enjoy facing Spirit myself, just like I enjoyed facing Nurses pre-nerf. Yeah it's a challenge, but I want the challenge and most other killers can't provide that without the rest of my team throwing and being potatoes. I like matches where all four of us are solid players and the killer is viable enough to still make it a game. Take away Spirit and then Freddy/Billy are top tier, both of whom people want to nerf as well. I don't really worry about 80% of the killer roster when I'm playing survivor, and taking the few that do provide a good match will kill the game.

So, it doesn't matter that she is balanced, it is simply a matter of dislike. Good to know, I'm sure that won't come back to bite anyone.

Balance should not be based off fun because balance is a mathematical concept which describes how much of a difference in effectiveness (in relation to the roles wincon) it has relative to other elements in the game.

Non-balance issues can exist however and should be taken into account.

That being said a balance issue and a non-balance issue should be handled differently even if the fundamental cause is otherwise the same in some specific case.

Not really man. People ask for some ridiculous crap, and the majority of people on the forums don't hold the same opinions as the rest who just play the game and enjoy it. Pandering to the masses blindly is a very dangerous business to get into, especially when you pander to a very vocal minority of people crying for nerfs because their favorite streamers have jumped on the bandwagon after they finally got their wish with Nurse.

Don't come crying to us when your queue times crash once you finally get your wish and nerf every single killer out of existence. You can't expect killers to stroll into every match and just take a loss because survivor mains are fragile and can't possibly imagine ever losing. We will either quit playing killer or quit playing altogether, leaving you with the consequences of short-sighted balance changes thrown to the masses. "Fun" is very clearly only contingent on winning for both you and the rest of people complaining about this, and it will destroy any chance this game may have had at being competitive. Good survivors have been winning against Spirit and Nurse for a long time, so it's just funny to me that now that the devs finally caved to nerfing the top tier, survivors are snowballing into cries for a nerf to literally every single viable killer. Just be honest at least and say you're not looking to have fun, but you guys just want to win all the time.

I mean, they kinda do. It seems to only take one or two survivor main streamers to complain about something to mobilize their forces to flood the forums with their demands. The amount of crying I've seen from otherwise great survivor streamers recently is disgusting. They definitely aren't hearing from the "majority" of players because most of them probably don't even know the forums exist. People just hear someone else say something is OP and immediately adopt that as their own opinion. Again, no one was saying a thing about Spirit until they nerfed Nurse, and survivors are bloodthirsty for nerfs, so they turned to the next best target to weaken the overall roster of killers. Otherwise you guys would have been complaining about Spirit this whole time, which you weren't.

Me too. Because I'm NOT just randomly guessing.

That's how you end up being predictable and getting hit.

Yet that logic is only applied to 1 side

No. Majority of survivors don't like her because the get ZERO feedback on what she's doing, so they're not reacting to anything. They're just making a guess. There's nothing to adapt to, there's nothing to learn.

Scott puts it well, even though I disagree with his proposed change. I suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyG29POXJw

spirit has just no counter play, sorry but red stain on window and "the glass glowing" are not feedback for conterplay, and you barely notice the grass moving, she need to be hit pretty hard, i say make thet you can hear where she come from, make that she can't hear where survivor at, and make her dissapear while she is phasing so you know when she his.

and please make it that she get a stunn when she hit like nurse have. that should be enougth for the basic the addon need rework too

Of course, the chase ends 5 seconds after being injured.

It is not fun to play against it and I prefer to kill myself on the hook to move on to the next game.

When it comes to people posting about their opinion of the spirit i don't really listen to those who have her as their profile pic or people who name their accounts after her because they are obviously biased

Her footsteps are negligible, because you can only hear them after she's too close to you and can already hit you. If you're talking about the whooshing sound well you don't hear that while in terror radius, making it useless in chase. And even when you do hear it, all you know is that she's coming, and then you have to make a guess and go somewhere hoping she won't get you.