Hatch solution... maybe?

@KillingInstinct said:
It would be a bit overpowered since Michael has to do something to get the insta kill. He is 9% slower when using tombstone and needs to get EW 3 with tombstone piece and Judith's tombstone

Ok buddy, do you want a solution to the Hatch stand off that can last hours or not????

Don't forget the Snatch and Kill is only powered when within the sound of the Hatch, not the entire map.

The solution turns up the heat on the end game standoff. Stop looking at it from a survivor point of view and think from both sides, are both sides being looked after here?

Survivor keeps Hatch if they find it first ... Check
Does Killers kill if they find the Hatch first ... Check
Does Survivor have a feasible alternate way of playing should the Hatch be camped .... Check

Is this anything but standing a meter away starring at each other ... check

@KillingInstinct said:

@Outland said:

@KillingInstinct said:
It would be a bit overpowered since Michael has to do something to get the insta kill. He is 9% slower when using tombstone and needs to get EW 3 with tombstone piece and Judith's tombstone

Ok buddy, do you want a solution to the Hatch stand off that can last hours or not????

Don't forget the Snatch and Kill is only powered when within the sound of the Hatch, not the entire map.

The solution turns up the heat on the end game standoff. Stop looking at it from a survivor point of view and think from both sides, are both sides being looked after here?

Survivor keeps Hatch if they find it first ... Check
Does Killers kill if they find the Hatch first ... Check
Does Survivor have a feasible alternate way of playing should the Hatch be camped .... Check

Is this anything but standing a meter away starring at each other ... check

I was looking at it from a killer's standpoint since I mostly play killer xD

And you honestly think this is too OP? What would you change to make it more acceptable?

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:

@thesuicidefox said:
I love how killer mains suggest solutions to the hatch standoff that clearly 100% benefits them and only them because they so desperately want a 4k.

How about when the hatch spawns all survivors just die instantly? Seems fair right?

Ok man, what about my solution said Killer only solution?

The fact that the killer gets an instant mori. SMH How do you not see that as being completely overpowered?

An insta-mori, if you are naive enough to walk up to the Killer standing at the Hatch. This is what is supposed to make the Survivor want to go do a gen. Right now they have no reason to not stroll up to the Killer and stand there waiting.

So I countered the insta-mori with the gens not being able to be regressed, so you can get bits done here and there , and if the Killer is off shooing you off the gens, guess what, THE HATCH IS UNPROTECTED, go get it.

I never said the Killer gets to close it.

So its powerful, but only if you are so ignorant as to walk up in front of him.

@Visionmaker said:
Sounds fine to me, as long as survivors only need one gen to power the gates.

Yep just one more gen, is how I would see it, that says to me that the survivor has the skill to get something done and deserves to escape. Not just stumbling down a hole.

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:
Time for you to leave it alone. I asked for suggestions on how to fix my solution, not just a blanket "It's Dumb"

No there is no fixing it. It's a bad idea. Period.

Come up with something that's not completely OP favoring killers and we will talk.

Then you sir are trolling, thanks for the jokes!
Peace
The rest of us will discuss it like grown ups.

Not trolling dude. Your idea is awful and one sided.

But if you need to defend your ego that bad...

The original idea is not one sided at all. Please read it again.

We replace the stand off portion with a one click wins for both the Survivor and the Killer this is balanced. The Survivor one click jumps in and the Killer one click snatches you up and murders you.

If the survivor gets to the hatch first, bam he's out, just like now.
If the Killer gets there, he has a choice to sit at the hatch and have insta kill (again this insta kill is ONLY at the hatch), or try and hunt down the survivor, with normal two hit down mechanics.

One gen required to power the gates, and gens can no longer be regressed. Allowing a survivor who's hatch is being camped a pretty easy way of escaping. This is easy mode, if the Killer is out and about looking for the survivor, then the hatch is still wide open and can be taken if you get there.

If anything the Killer has it pretty rough, they are forced to think about should they camp up the hatch or move around, because either is a pretty sure fire way to lose. Specially if the gens are across the map from the hatch.

Yeah I'm pretty sure, you just don't want to work for your escape, as in doing one second more play then is required to jump in a hole is ridiculous and unfair.

So yeah I have thought this one out quite a bit, and since you have nothing real to say other then its Killer sided op. I'm going to dismiss your opinion on this one, thanks for playing.

Its got nothing to do with my ego and everything to do with your inability to judge fair.

You seem stuck on the insta kill part. So lets try this for you. Lets remove that part, but instead there is no hatch now. Gens still can't be regressed, and one gen will power the doors. Is it fair now?

@thesuicidefox said:

@Outland said:
Yeah I'm pretty sure, you just don't want to work for your escape, as in doing one second more play then is required to jump in a hole is ridiculous and unfair.

ME: Your idea is bad and unbalanced.
YOU: DUURRRR You must want free escapes.

No. It's a bad solution. I want something fair and reasonable. Your idea is neither.

Write me another essay about what you assume about me.

I'm assuming you can't read.

We'd love to hear what you think is fair and reasonable.

But again no counter solutions, just more nondescript complaints.

You and I will just have to disagree on this one.

Thanks for your additions to the thread.

@Chrona said:
I'm just going to ask this rhetorically to see what people think. What is the purpose of the hatch?

In my eyes, it's meant to be an alternate minor objective. The main objectives of the survivors is to repair the generators to power the gates. Frankly, once it's down one survivor alone, that objective ranges from impossible, to mildly difficult depending on how many generators are left. If absolutely no generators were done before 3 people died? One, that's insane, but it's also kind of insane to force the sole survivor (heh) to do all 5 generators THEN open a gate. 2 generators will likely will have been finished before all the other survivors die. This leaves the last survivor with a question: Do you, essentially, do nothing, and spend your time hunting for the hatch? Or work on X generators, and open a gate? Because the hatch IS an instant escape that you have already met the prerequisites for, most people hunt for the hatch. Especially on the smaller maps. Finding the hatch in the game is a lot easier than say, rotten fields (first big map I could think of, honestly).

Most survivors, I think, will go for the hatch most of the time. Unless there is just one generator left, or all are complete and they just have to get a gate, that's about the only time I think a survivor would still go the normal route. Beyond that, the killer usually starts hunting for the hatch too. And even if they find it first, they can't really "patrol it" or they might flat out tell the survivor it's there by accident.

I feel like to make it more balanced (and or 'feel' better), there should be two things added. One is, as people have said, essentially a reason FOR the killer to hunt for the hatch. Because unless they find it at the same time as the survivor, it isn't necessarily beneficial. I feel like the killer getting the ability to outright kill the survivor wouldn't really fix the problem, it would only treat the symptom. The problem is that the killer can't interact with the hatch in any way, there's not true incentive to find it. The symptom is hatch standoffs. I didn't play the PTB, so I don't know how the kicking of the hatch worked exactly.

The second is a small, but important prerequisite unique to the hatch escape. Something like, 5-10 or however many seconds to actually, say, OPEN the hatch (ie, it's "unlocked" once it's down to one survivor with at least 2 generators finished, but then the survivor has to actually push open the hatch. Probably similar in animation/timing to searching a chest). This makes the hatch escape slightly more risky, but also gives the killer a chance to punish survivors that find it a tad too late, etc.

I like the idea of the hatch being like an exit gate. It would definitely limit the standoff potential.