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The Entity

RepliCant
RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436
edited July 2018 in Lore

Hey guys, I decided to take some time out of my boring day to do some digging and hunting and piece together many theories, speculations, and facts to hopefully come to an entire story and conclusion. But with many questions answered, it always opens up a new box of questions. Any facts & evidence that can be disproved state below. Creditors will be mentioned at the end. For the sake of the thread, I will be mentioning many other lore-related threads; theories will be (sort of..) categorized however. Each heading will either be a theory related to the heading, or just general information. Enjoy!

"Buckle up, Fuckos! Let's roll."

What's Dead by Daylight?

Dead by Daylight is an asymmetrical game that involves four survivors against one Killer. The concept behind this game falls that a greater, malevolent being most referenced to as, "The Entity", had trapped these survivors in another Realm, forcing them to repair generators to escape this horrid place (Just to repeat the same thing over), or to end up sacrificed via a meat hook.

I suppose you could say they're in a loop. Well, sort of.

The Entity, Part I

The Entity is a malevolent being that seems to just "exist". In these trials, everything surrounding you is consistent with The Entity. The Trees, The Pallets, The Hooks. They are apart of The Entity. I would also like to add under my own speculations, that The Entity is an unobservable. Similar to the force of gravity, atomic particles, beliefs and desires. We are not physically able to observe them as subjects or objects. They are not comprehensible through our senses.

Often unobservables is a reference to philosopher Immanual Kant's distinction between Noumenons and Phenomenons. Noumenons being the equivalent to unobservables, and phenomenons as the things objectified and understood through our senses. The information gathered can speculate that the Entity is a unobservable.

The only time we see The Entity manifest a physical form and considered a phenomenon is when the Black Spider-leg-like Claws that take The Survivor's soul (?) after the completion of a sacrifice.

The Entity, Part II

Ever heard of the philosopher Ian Hack? Yeah, me neither until a few hours ago. Let's dive into the pool of Entity Realism, and Ian is to give credibility for the understanding of Entity Realism.

Unlike scientific realism, that has the belief of scientific theories to be true, or close to regardless, entity realism only regards the truth of the theory as real if and only, "if they refer to phenomena that can be routinely used to create effects in domains that can be investigated independently. 'Manipulative success' thus becomes the criterion by which to judge the reality of (typically unobservable) scientific entities."

To my personal understanding while remaining relevant to Dead by Daylight, is that The Entity is indeed real. Due to the creation of domains and realms, it falls under the criteria for manipulative success of phenomenons. There is many, many, theories out there that will suggest none of this is "real" but due to unobservables and phenomenons and the criteria The Entity meets, this is not a state within the mind of self-creation. This is not a product of the Killers' & Survivors minds. Sorry Folks!

There are many versions of Entity Realism, but for the sake of easier understanding I tend to reference Ian Hack.

The Entity, Part III-I

Part I was about unobservables and phenomenons, Part II was referencing Entity Realism, so what's Part III and how does it tie in with it all?

Multiverses and Multiple Time Dimensions, along with the possibility of a Time Loop. I could dive too deep into explaining all of them and get lost in the relevance. FOR THE SAKE, it's not hard to go on google or youtube and find some info. We must mention that a single quantum event can separate one dimension from the other.

This is/was the hardest part to make relevant to a theory as it seemed to have a lot of holes in it and can be hard to prove due to MD, MTD, and TL are all theoretical as we stand (scientific realism though!) Also, this will probably be the lengthiest part of the Entire Threads.

With MTD being heavily theorized within our humanly shared world, we can not disregard the possibility of The Entity gaining access to the Other(s) Timed Dimensions, being the other dimension itself, or having the ability to manipulate one(s).

Also, we have to mention that the Entity's dimension seems to not be a parallel dimension with ours as it has it's own time. It's frequently noted that The Entity's dimension does not have the exact same rules, or physical laws as well. Look at The Nurse, she defies our own physics here in our verse.

The Entity being in a multiverse with multiple time dimensions would explain the obsolete sense of time the realm caters. "Time does pass, but it's a little wobbly..." (Quoted from Lore Q&A) proof that time is NOT the same as ours, stopped condoning to the same dimensions as ours, and can also suggest of multiverses existing within The Entity's entire universe.

But here's the thing... multiple dimensions HAVE to exist within The Entity's Universe. A huge props and credibility to @TheBretzel for this wonderfully well-proven theory.

Now, before I go any further. You must understand that dimensions and realms are technically separate. The realm being the domain itself, and the dimensions being the components.

SO, There's multiple realms within The Entity's universe.

Some examples are:

The Dream World (With this realm, it's speculated that Survivors are able to lucid dream as well)
The Spirit Realm
The General Entity's Realm(s)
(MacMillan, Asylum, Treatment Theatre)
Campfire (? Unsure if the campfire is considered a different realm. Is the campfire residing separately from the maps and other realms, OR if it's the only time-consistent one. Will be placed under "?", "unsure")

It's noted that, "Benedict is still in the realm of The Entity because he's experiencing these new realms that are created.", "The Entity's realm is out of time. It is possible that you could appear in two different time lines at the same time if that's the perspective of the person who was looking at it. So, it's possible that Benedict is in both times depending on who is writing about him at any given time. Or it is possible that Benedict left the realm and then returned to it at a different time." Which basically just proved my part of Multiple Time Dimensions existing, ontop of multiple realms. It's worth stating that The Entity is within ALL of these.

"We don't know if they lost hope. Maybe? Maybe not. Maybe they're dead for good? Maybe not. It's important to understand that in The Entity's realm there's not just one place that exists at one time; there's pockets. So some Survivors that live in there will never be around."

As for how you are transitioning between those other realms seems a little bit unwillingly. We can speculate that the Survivors do indeed transition into the multiple realms as Benedict listed seeing different and various Killers, and seemingly jumping into a black hole or running through a gate back to where you started, to go to multiple different places like The Swamp, and MacMillan's estate, screams multiple realms to me....

The Entity Part III-II

Okay, this is the last part of The Entity's. It's so long I know, but I'll throw down a quick summary in bullet point form afterwards.

So The thing that really has me baffled with MTD, Multiverses, Entity realism, Noumenons, Phenomenons, and all that mumbojumbo and it's the fact that there is not a single time where the survivors AND killers have been in broad daylight.

The campfire is night with The Moon.

The Trials are night with The Moon.

The Store, The Bloodweb, everything seems to be in the setting during nighttime.

It really had me thinking, is it possible within these MTD, etc, that they are in a time loop? I know it's referenced that time is obsolete and very vague, but a loop would genuinely make sense.

When a certain condition is met, the time loops resets and continues on. It would explain the reset of the loop via all survivors sacrificed, or had escape. The time loop being bound to the Moon.

In Bretzel's thread, it goes on to explain how weak The Entity is to intense light. The moon does not offer an intense amount of light to hurt The Entity, but the Sun seems like it could. If the killers are so weak to a little flashlight, what would the entire sun do? Not to mention the Q&A:

"We hinted to that at some point, to having a very secret sequence of things that could allow you to do that, maybe not killing the killer, but escaping for real."

Maybe that certain sequence would bring you out of the loop, back into our normal realms, and have the sun rise for the AM.

The Entity's Summary

  • The Entity is just an entity, an unobservable, which falls under the criteria for entity realism due to its ability to manipulate phenomenons.
  • Multiple Realms, Time Dimensions, and Universes reside all within The Entity we are all at consensus of.
  • Possible Time Loop and Daylight itself may be the ultimate answer to escaping. Pure speculation here. That is, if you aren't Dead by Daylight.

As for HOW the Survivors ended up in this realm, it seems that some criteria needs to be set, but also geographically. This could mean possible holes in our realm that would result in The Entity being able to pull people into its realm, and possibly the same for its.

Credits & Links:
@TheBretzel
The Dev Team
(https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/2402/every-lore-related-question-devs-answered-81-questions-and-some-answers-1#latest) (https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/30205#Comment_30205) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobservable) (https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=6mYfVgdtfUY&t=327s) (http://archive.deadbydaylight.com/manual/lore/) (http://www.multidimensions.com/multidimensional-consciousness/) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_time_dimensions)

VIGO & BENEDICT BAKER, PART I

The two most important unseen characters in the whole thing. I would firmly like to believe that these two are actually the most powerful as they've gone in with greater knowledge.

We'll start with Part I being about Benedict. Although very vague as I didn't dive too deep, some things are worth mentioning about him:
1. He had documented all of the belongings within the realms.
2. He is a researcher, and it's stated by the devs that he likes to dive deep into his research.
3. He had been there during the times of multiple realms being created

Although, I can't pinpoint his importance like I will with Vigo, Benedict seemed to have a better understanding of this place at some point. What happened to him? There's speculation Benedict was a shaman as the ability to be existent at two timelines at once, and being a practiced shaman, Benedict would then have a way to transition through the realms himself.

And that's where we get to the second most important part of the game....

Vigo!

Vigo & Benedict Baker, Part II

I have high speculations about Vigo that seem to piece together really, really well. Vigo is a Shaman!

Well unsure of Vigo's full identity, here are some things I have gathered about Vigo:

  1. They are a creator of multiple offerings for the Entity; often providing luck or benefits such as being far as possible from the Killer at the start of the trial.
  2. The hatch was a creation
  3. Understood The Entity's "rules" and how to bend them.

So, if apply Vigo to be a shaman, we then have a speculation of answers.

"Shamanism is a practice that involves a practitioner reaching altered states of consciousness in order to perceive and interact with what they believe to be a spirit world and channel these transcendental energies into this world.[1]"
"A shaman (/ˈʃɑːmən/ SHAH-men) is someone who is regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of benevolent and malevolent spirits" - Wikipedia

"I found marvels through the years in the fog, but only now do I understand how to bend the fog's irrefragable rules." - Vigo's Journal

So if Vigo was able to bend and manipulate the rules and laws of the fog, what else did she obtain from? Shamans are very well connected with nature itself; and having be practiced in such would then give her a higher count of knowledge to begin with. It would make sense if she started off making offerings and bending The Entity small but surely.

Shamans are known for being able to access one specific realm: The Spirit Realm. Understanding from Bretzel's Realm thread, Wraith and Nurse both have access to the realm. Perhaps Vigo found a way to get access.

Shamans are also in touch with consciousness and the mind. It would make since for aura readings and such to be "unlocked" through some way via Vigo. Perhaps she spent her time more smartly in the trials.

And not to mention the hatch, "so that hatch—the hatch is built by someone." - (Lore Q&A)

With Vigo knowingly able to create things and bend the Entity's rules at wills, it can be speculated she created the hatch.

Shamanism is so important to the lore as it follows the Multiple Time Dimensions, Multiverse, and the rest of the entity itself.

Well, that's it for now I guess. Hours of research does you good. Hopefully this lore was well worth it as a read. Have fun out there in the fog homies

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Comments

  • TheBretzel
    TheBretzel Member Posts: 83

    Nice read.

    The timeline effect is a very complicated factor in the Entity's world and is even more difficult to explain, for the only reason that it combines more than just one timeline. It's a Nexus, like the Devs explained, and they choose THE most complicated thing to base the lore upon by making the Nexus's tendrils interact with each other...(Damn you devs! jk I love you all) I initially planned to do a thread about it but I'll come back to this one instead for reference.

    Multiverses combined with multiple realms and pocket dimensions is something that needs clarification and that is also visually present in the game.

    Altough you missed some in-game things to further support your theory, there's plenty here for it to stand. Thanks for writing all this It sure makes looking for things easier when you can come back to 1 place.

    P.S : Vigo making the hatch is debatable :^)

  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436
    edited July 2018

    @TheBretzel said:
    Nice read.

    The timeline effect is a very complicated factor in the Entity's world and is even more difficult to explain, for the only reason that it combines more than just one timeline. It's a Nexus, like the Devs explained, and they choose THE most complicated thing to base the lore upon by making the Nexus's tendrils interact with each other...(Damn you devs! jk I love you all) I initially planned to do a thread about it but I'll come back to this one instead for reference.

    Multiverses combined with multiple realms and pocket dimensions is something that needs clarification and that is also visually present in the game.

    Altough you missed some in-game things to further support your theory, there's plenty here for it to stand. Thanks for writing all this It sure makes looking for things easier when you can come back to 1 place.

    P.S : Vigo making the hatch is debatable :^)

    I did Nine hours of research along with a few hours making this thread; so thank you!

    Yeah, The Nexus would explain the time loop. Perhaps I'll edit it when I have time. But, Nexus' do fall under Multiverses and all relating to that stuff that's explained throughout. Also, I don't exactly have a science degree and with Nexus and temporal paradoxes the internet tends to be vague on them. I'll definitely do some further digging and update it. After about 9 or 10 hours, I started getting half-assed whoops lol. I appreciate the feedback!

    Also, goddamn vigo y u no creat hatsh

  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436

    Few things I want to quote and mention and elaborate with new info:


    "THE ENTITY, PART I

    The Entity is a malevolent being that seems to just "exist". In these trials, everything surrounding you is consistent with The Entity. The Trees, The Pallets, The Hooks. They are apart of The Entity. I would also like to add under my own speculations, that The Entity is an unobservable. Similar to the force of gravity, atomic particles, beliefs and desires. We are not physically able to observe them as subjects or objects. They are not comprehensible through our senses."


    It seems as though this is true, that The Entity had to start from somewhere in creation due to the theory of energy being "it cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred"

    Given the recent lore being produced, it's safe to assume it stemmed from an energy of hatred or destructiveness, nonetheless this proves the next statement,

    "To my personal understanding while remaining relevant to Dead by Daylight, is that The Entity is indeed real. Due to the creation of domains and realms, it falls under the criteria for manipulative success of phenomenons. There is many, many, theories out there that will suggest none of this is "real" but due to unobservables and phenomenons and the criteria The Entity meets, this is not a state within the mind of self-creation. This is not a product of the Killers' & Survivors minds. Sorry Folks!"


    Since it's real, it had to of come from something pre-existing.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    THE ENTITY, PART III-I


    "Also, we have to mention that the Entity's dimension seems to not be a parallel dimension with ours as it has it's own time. It's frequently noted that The Entity's dimension does not have the exact same rules, or physical laws as well. Look at The Nurse, she defies our own physics here in our verse.

    The Entity being in a multiverse with multiple time dimensions would explain the obsolete sense of time the realm caters. "Time does pass, but it's a little wobbly..." (Quoted from Lore Q&A) proof that time is NOT the same as ours, stopped condoning to the same dimensions as ours, and can also suggest of multiverses existing within The Entity's entire universe."


    I think this is where specifically Nexus time comes into explaining this. The quote, "Inherent in each actual entity is its respective dimension of time." applies. Since time is also relative to experience, it would explain the possibility of the same person experiencing multiple different timelines at once, (unknowingly of course) given the evidence of multiple time dimensions and The Entity possessing it's own respective dimension of time.


    Also, helps add support to the given info of "Benedict is still in the realm of The Entity because he's experiencing these new realms that are created.", "The Entity's realm is out of time. It is possible that you could appear in two different time lines at the same time if that's the perspective of the person who was looking at it. So, it's possible that Benedict is in both times depending on who is writing about him at any given time. Or it is possible that Benedict left the realm and then returned to it at a different time.""

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I cannot find any info regarding Nexus Tendrils.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    "The Entity being in a multiverse with multiple time dimensions would explain the obsolete sense of time the realm caters. "Time does pass, but it's a little wobbly..." (Quoted from Lore Q&A) proof that time is NOT the same as ours, stopped condoning to the same dimensions as ours, and can also suggest of multiverses existing within The Entity's entire universe.

    But here's the thing... multiple dimensions HAVE to exist within The Entity's Universe. A huge props and credibility to @TheBretzel for this wonderfully well-proven theory.

    Now, before I go any further. You must understand that dimensions and realms are technically separate. The realm being the domain itself, and the dimensions being the components.

    SO, There's multiple realms within The Entity's universe.

    Some examples are:

    The Dream World (With this realm, it's speculated that Survivors are able to lucid dream as well)

    The Spirit Realm

    The General Entity's Realm(s)

    (MacMillan, Asylum, Treatment Theatre)

    Campfire (? Unsure if the campfire is considered a different realm. Is the campfire residing separately from the maps and other realms, OR if it's the only time-consistent one. Will be placed under "?", "unsure")"


    Please add "The Void" to the list when considering this.

    Please add "Torment Zones" to the list

    Quoted from AMA reddit from /pcgaming performed by BHVR, ""That is still up for discovery. There might be zones in The Entity where killers interact. That said, It is known that the Killers can be out of trials in null zones where they are tormented and put into submission by The Entity (if needed). Killers can also end up in The Void if they don't serve their purpose.""

    _____________________________________________________________________


    So, my current conclusion about The Entity:

    • The Entity is just an entity, an unobservable, which falls under the criteria for entity realism due to its ability to manipulate phenomenons.
    • Multiple Realms, Time Dimensions, and Universes reside all within The Entity we are all at consensus of. This includes pockets in which the Entity has more trouble with manipulating phenomenons and its time.


    With the new info, I will add:

    • Nexus Time and process philosophy of time seems to be what Dead by Daylight uses, while mixing multiverses and multiple time dimensions given the new info about The Void and Null zones.
    • The Entity stems from an existing energy of hatred, destructiveness, or possibly a person itself given the first journal log in archives, "The Entity" in-game. Hence its evil nature.


  • Very well done, very interesting. Although I would like the original post polished a little bit, the grammar isn't the best at times.

  • Cornpopers_Evan
    Cornpopers_Evan Member Posts: 2,428

    Great job with dishing out all that information, bringing up Vigo possibly being a Shaman is also very interesting.