General Discussions
General Discussions
Spirit still "overperforming"
Good spirit players will still be good after the current tweaks. Those that got carried by some of her addons might have to try a bit harder.
She will stay the only viable answer in high rank gameplay.
I highly doubt that the cry for nerfs will stop after 3.4.0
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So you've seen the stats even before the devs. Incredible! I hope they hire you and your crystal ball
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Legion was more nerfed than her lol
Even though Spirit was supposed to be the nerfed one XDDD
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The changes were nice but it didn't really fix the main problem. She is still annoying and unfun to against and people will probably continue to kill themselves on hook.
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Some people think they know it all
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I dont need stats to recognize, that she still is the strongest killer in the game.
I played her two round and versed her twice in the PTB now. Not sure what you are on about.
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Thanks for getting my point. People seem to assume bias whenever spirit is the topic.
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People asking for more nerfs already..people really are ungrateful
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The main point was that as a survivor, the killer was giving out absolutely no information, meaning it had to be a pure guess for the survivor to escape. They went around that by just removing collision and wraithing her, which helps but doesn’t do much in the sense of fairness.
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Care to explain who asked for more nerfs? Please quote it, to make it clear.
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To sum up your post:
"Even after her nerf, I can't loop spirit for 5 gens or bully her, please gut her like legion"
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I still believe, the devs should publish a killer counter guide before nerfing anymore killers.
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You probably (used to) run prayer beads every game.
Seriously though, the devs aren’t giving survivors any information in a chase. That was the whole argument alongside collision and having to run iron will just to play against her. In my opinion they should remove any sound during phasing.
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I'm sure you are trolling now btw.
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I rarely used them so I don't even care. I see you haven't even played spirit to suggest these nerfs
No I'm not. They ask for more nerfs to be able to loop her for ages.
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Care to explain where i asked for more nerfs?
U read, what u would like to read, i guess.
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Well u summed up my post with "asking for nerfs so i can bully"
Now you talk about "they"
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Claiming the spirit will be no different will just be in their eyes saying their nerfs weren't hard enough..shes not even out of ptb..its not hard to see where it could go next
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So you are telling me your post doesn't indirectly cry for more nerfs?
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"They" because I don't know your gender
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No and no.
I said that good spirit players wont be affected by these "nerfs"
I said tweaks, not nerfs.
I said that she will stay the only viable killer.
AND i said, that the crying wont stop.
I did NOT say, that want more nerfs (check my posted discussions and u will see, that i mainly play killer)
I did NOT say that the nerfs aren't enough, not even indirectly.
May be u guys should take a minute before you reply to someone's thread and call him out on something obviously wrong. Just like i said, some people need the bias.
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The title doesnt convey your message very well then
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When you see someone even HINTING at problems with spirit you immediately say the same "you just want to bully killers" bs every single time even though the post has absolutely NOTHING to even suggest that.
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I just used the devs' justification for tweaking her.
May be read the comment and not just the title.
If you dont share my opinion please feel free to explain why good spirit players will suffer from these changes.
If you relied on prayers beads or collisiom you weren't a good spirit player...
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Hardly..I was all for the changes to collision..my stance is these changes were honestly the most fair I could think of to leave both sides better off overall, my only contention was how it seemed you were claiming that more should be done which would most certainly topple the spirit both in balance and fun
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The changes will mean high rank players will now face even better spirits effectively fixing no problems.
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Can't you not SEE through the text? OP may not ask for nerfs but by saying "Good players will still be good after the current tweaks" he/she literally implies something. But I won't discuss it any further. If you get it, good for you.
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Well, OP explained his words several times now. Even the last monkey should be able to "see through" them now.
Good Spirit players will stay good and viable. Killers that struggle, weren't good and might adept.
However, spirit will still be considered unfun and cause DCs and/or suicides, which will lead to her still overperforming, which might even lead to more "tweaking" (WHICH I DONT ASK FOR IT THIS POINT!!!!!)
I hope even the last donkey got it now.
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@Rin_is_my_waifu Dude just ignore topics like this. There's no point in arguing and getting a headache over something that no one wants to change the way they play against her.
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Spirit-Avatars unite! Topics like this? If you think my point is not valid and spirit got tweaked too hard, please share your opinion.
However i feel like you wont add anything useful to this topic.
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I don't have a probably with the tweaks. I said that when I hear about them on another topic.
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Where is the arguing part exactly? All I see is constantly attacking people who is saying anything negative about spirit. If you actually want to say something useful then say it. If you are going to keep saying "git gud" or "you just want to bully killers stop crying" type of bs every single time then yes, please ignore topics like this.
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I haven't attacked anyone I gave points and advice before. And all I get in return is arguing and bitching.
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I'm not talking about you specifically. Just to everyone in general and especially the people you are defending here.
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Do I have to remind you that whenever you post something is about spirit being unfub and annoying and everytime you see me posting you attack me saying that I'm a troll and talking bs?
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I think that was the point of these changes. To nerf her but not to the point of making her garbage. The whole point of her power is being unpredictable. If you knew when she was phasing and when she wasnt, she just wouldnt be good. People would just walk or urban evade around the spirit while shes phasing and run when they know shes faking it. Your faster than them but the survivors are also invisible, so what's the point of even being faster trying to catch something you cant see or even hear sometimes.
The thing about the Spirit is you cant make her predictable or else she just wont be very good. She wasnt good when she released because people knew when she was phasing and when she wasnt, that's why she was changed to what she is now. I'm not sure what they could do to make her less annoying than what the devs already did without breaking her. Maybe make the glass shards glowing while phasing a bit more noticable from a certain range so good survivors who can pay attention and have quick reaction time can predict the next move but that's all I can think of.
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If your not talking about me then why are you jumping on me then? Who am I defending?
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Post something constructive for once then and stop attacking people. Ever since I joined the forums I haven't seen you saying something actually constructive, just "git gud" or "stop crying" types of comments to anyone saying something negative about spirit. I would love to be proven wrong but that is the impression you are leaving on people.
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You are saying that they are wasting their time "arguing" but there is no arguing. It's just the same attacking comments every time. I'm sorry if it looked like I was attacking you specifically.
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You are literally attacking me now and calling me names and also @I_am_Negan who just talked to me and not you.
You say I don't post anything constructive (I do btw) but you do the same. Yyou just say everytime spirit is annoying and that's it.
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I told many times what I think should be done to make her better to go against or what's wrong with her and gave my thoughts&feedback on many other topics as well but it looks like you completely ignore those. I said that I would love to be proven wrong but that's not going to happen I suppose.
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Well I also provided enough arguements on how to counter her but it seems you skipped them. Of course it gets tiring at some point to say the same things over and over again.
But I suggest ending this conversation here. It is a waste of time and won't lead anywhere
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Well, I never actually saw you writing those. Even if you do, there is still no reason for you to write these comments in every single post about spirit.
Agreed on the last part though.
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Oh well, Spirit got her nerf and so we move onto other overperforming killers. Like Legion.
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I said something earlier when I saw her changes. These changes won't be enough to stop people from complaining about her.
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