why do so many killer mains immediately want any good survivor perk(cough cough meddle of man) nerfd

@carters_spark

It's because Mettle of Man was an unbalanced perk right out the door, perks like DS that had literally no counter or Mettle of Man that ALSO had no countenr were in-general not good for the overall health and balance of the game.

Having an extra hit that's undeserved and easy to obtain is... quite an issue for the overall balance. The same goes for DS, a free escape with no downside to a long chase is ALSO a big issue to keep in the game.

That's also why insta-heals were changed as well, being able to fully heal a downed Survivor that took the Killer literally 4 minutes to down is pretty unfair... especially if you don't down that Survivor than they'll just do generators and gen rush you.

Your only hope in most these scenarios is to go after the "weaker link" but if everyone has insta-heals, Pre-nerf DS, Pre-nerf Mettle of Man, than they can easily negate a lot of progress that the Killer is trying to achieve. This is especially bad if you're facing a coordinated team or a SWFs with or without coms.

I'm glad that BHVR fixed these issues, mainly because the perk builds you would face started to blend together after awhile...

MoM at release was insanely busted lol. Was such an unfair perk.

That's not really how game balancing works. It's not about us versus them, it's about what's best for the health of the game overall. Thinking about nerfs and buffs in terms of what's "fair" is juvenile and detrimental to good game design.

Having said that, this thread is a question, not a discussion, so it's not really an appropriate place for us to have a debate about it.

Because they are ridiculously overpowered, how is that hard to understand?

The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that they can't/couldn't get countered, as opposed to killer perks which you may find pretty buffed. Here are a few examples:

• Hex: Ruin: You can counter this perk by cleansing a determined totem.
• BBQ: You can counter this perk by hiding in a locker or getting closer to the killer.
• Nurse's Calling: You can counter this by healing yourself or a team mate far away from the killer.

Now for survivors, a lot of them can not or couldn't (before they got nerfed) get countered. Here are a few examples as well:

• Old Decisive Strike: Nearly impossible to counter unless you were very close to a hook so that you could dribble the downed survivor. However, any good team mate would easily body block you and most of the times take a hit for you, giving the survivor enough time to strike that skill check.
• Old Mettle of Man: You simply couldn't counter it. No matter what happened in the game, any survivor who used to run this perk would eventually end up getting another chance to escape the killer as soon as they hit you. In other words, MoM was extremely overpowered because not only did it allow the survivor to waste the killer even more time than they already did, but it basically punished the killer for doing his objective without any skill involved on the survivor's side (literally all you had to do was run the perk and bam, let it do all the work for you).
• Borrowed Time: This is quite debatable and I'm personally 50/50 on this. Once again, it gives survivors another chance to escape from the killer more than they are supposed to have. However, it prevents tunneling and punishes the killer for playing dirty and low. Killers can counter this by waiting a certain time before the perk's use time runs down, however, it is against the purpose of the game (survivors try to get hit so they can get that extra boost while killers don't do it because they suspect you might have it - this shouldn't happen, as killers should be encouraged to hit survivors and down them and survivors should try to escape, not catch a hit to gain an advantage over them - it's basically counter-intuitive).

I hope I was able to clarify some things for you.

Really that's a thing? Lol imp none of the perks should have been changed. Adapt an over come. The ones that have been changed were sometimes a pain to deal with, but they where normal quickly eliminated.

I don't care about Any Means Necessary, but Mettle of Man had big situational issues.

On it's own, i thought it was fine.

But against pure M1 Killers, equipped with Borrowed Time and then the 3 other Survivors run both those Perks, it really was way over the line.

MOM's old version cannot have been considered anything but brokenly OP, and anyone that says other than that is a liar.

Call me crazy, but I didn’t really mind the old MoM that much. The way I viewed it, you already have to land 20 or so hits to win a match give or take a few, depending on which killer you’re playing. So you have to get a couple more, big whoopty whoop. Most people wasted it anyway, or allowed themselves to be in a bad position they wouldn’t normally find themselves in just to get stacks. Because if they didn’t get it until they were on death hook, it was game over. They would have to spend the rest of the match injured, or permanently reveal their aura. I won a ton of matches because of that aura reveal coming in clutch at the end. Don’t get me wrong, it could be a serious problem with insta heals. But, on its own...meh. I wasn’t too worried about it.